2018-05-10 – Longevity in Virtual Worlds

Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: May 10, 2018

Topic – Longevity in Virtual Worlds

In the past week Sheila Yoshikawa had her 11th rezday in Second Life and Beth Ghostraven had her 8th rezday. This has set us thinking: what is it that keeps people in Second Life (or any virtual world) for so many years? Do our motivations change over time? Does it become more, or less, difficult to leave a virtual world? The session will start with Sheila and Beth talking about why they have stayed.

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Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour. 8pm In UK, 3pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds, and to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world.

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Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. The topic for this week’s meeting will be: Longevity in virtual worlds (that means – staying in them a long time)

Sheila Yoshikawa: Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves. As usual we will be in text chat for the whole session.

Sheila Yoshikawa: So I teach and research in the Information School at the University of Sheffield, UK

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, I seem to be sharing a chair with you–would you like me to move?

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The table has a chair problem…

Shailey Garfield: I am based at UK’s Open University. Shailey Minocha in RL..

Dodge Threebeards: Greg Perrier in RL, professor emeritus of Biology at the Northern Virginia Community college and manage their SL program.

Camie Rembrandt: Using SL since February 2010. Writer, Digital Storyteller, Independent e-Learning Professional, and Certified Professional/Vocational Trainer with a Postgraduate Diploma in Education (E-Learning Pedagogy).

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): Selby Evans, Blogger, 3DWebWorldz 1.0 entry: the train station and the Meeting Center  https://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2018/05/2018-ww-3dwebworldz-10-entry-train.html

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol now you are sharing with Dodge?

Dodge Threebeards: tries to avoid Beth’s quills

Norma Underwood: LOL

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Beth Ghostraven: Dodge, not to mention the lit candles! lol

Dodge Threebeards: might be only two beards after this

Scot Jung: we still have sitting issues after all these years

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): Lynne Berrett, NYC metro area, owner of Inspiration island and CEO of Whole Brain Health programs in virtual worlds

Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, MSEducation/Communications…composer, mixed media artist, actor, educator, trainer, coach, Gestalt therapist, organization consultant, group facilitator

Sheila Yoshikawa: for me that’s part of the charm, I think

Norma Underwood: Happy Rez Day Beth

Sheila Yoshikawa: Ok I think that’s almost everyone

Beth Ghostraven: now Dodge and Selby are combined–weird

Scot Jung: I’m from Oregon, USA and mostly retired from SL, but once part of the Cedar Island learning community

Sheila Yoshikawa: do just type in if you have been missed out

Beth Ghostraven: I’m Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL (http://bethghostraven.com); Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference; Communications Chair and Focus Sessions Producer for the ISTE Virtual Environments Network; and unofficial liaison between education groups in SL.For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at http://venetwork.weebly.com/calendar.html; Twitter: @booklady9

I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK, Beth and I both had rezdays in the past week. I’m 11 and Beth is 8, and you will see we are celebrating with cake and champagne

Shailey Garfield: My heart remains in/with SL in spite of other VR/VW developments

Shailey Garfield: Happy Rez Days, Sheila and Beth

Norma Underwood: Retired Art Teacher from Arizona, got involved teaching kids on the Reaction Grid and Jokaydia, coming up on 11 years

Marly (Marly Milena): I suppose it’s relevant to say I have been in SL for almost eleven years

Sheila Yoshikawa: so that set us thinking – why are we still here

Scot Jung: I can be the designated driver, if needed

Sheila Yoshikawa: So we will both say something – is it ok if i start, Beth?

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: that is noble of you Scot

Beth Ghostraven: I’m busy trying not to set Liss on fire

Sheila Yoshikawa: so I started by thinking that I had talked about this before, so I revisited presentations I had done in the past, and i wrote a little. I will just go through that text, which is in the notecard in the box, and also the few slides are on a presenter behind me

Shailey Garfield: Yes, I noticed that Beth – Poor Liss…

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): lol–

Beth Ghostraven: wow, Sheila, you’re making me look bad–I didn’t prepare anything except the cake that Dodge ate up

Sheila Yoshikawa: so I will copy and paste the text, but do chip in with comments or questions

Sheila Yoshikawa: “Why I am still in Second Life after 11 years? I thought I would start by looking back at statements from some years ago. The first is from a presentation I did to a British librarians’ group in June 2010, so about 8 years ago (at the time there was a good deal of interest from librarians – certainly not the case any more).”

Sheila Yoshikawa: so that’s the first slide from the presentation behind me

Sheila Yoshikawa: In this talk I was stressing practical aspects and I said the reasons why were: Learning Teaching and Researching

Networking and CPD = Continuing Professional Development

Enjoyment

Sheila Yoshikawa: I couldn’t just stress fun as this was a professional presentation for working librarians! “The year before, 2009, I had given a more personal view: it was a talk in an educational research seminar. “

Sheila Yoshikawa: So this is the slide which it’s worth looking at if you can

Sheila Yoshikawa: it’s on the notecard and behind me

Sheila Yoshikawa: “I presented a slide in which I identified what I had imagined myself doing as a child: you can see it’s pretty wide ranging. Scientist, actress, artist, author and princess. I think they were all prefaced by “world famous”. “

Sheila Yoshikawa: I thought I was going to be somebody ;-)))

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): Sheila, I am surprised clothes aren’t in the center–I guess that was later?

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Liss

Sheila Yoshikawa: ” Then I also show interests that developed through my life: photography (my father was a good amateur photographer and had his own makeshift darkroom in the 1950s and 1960s); writing, which I do a lot and have been published, though not in quite the way I imagined as a child; clothes, which I like in all my worlds; science fiction, anime and (to a limited extent) gaming. “

Sheila Yoshikawa: Actually I think I had ambitions to be queen, I remember writing “queen sheila” on pieces of paper and throwing them out of the window, i suppose to communicate with my subjects

Sheila Yoshikawa: “I saw a convergence of all these things in Second Life: I can be a princess in fancy clothes, I do a lot of SL photography and can create scenes as well as creating myself in SL. I can pursue with interest in information and information literacy and develop my professional life.”

Sheila Yoshikawa: “It’s still this convergence that enchants me. I still delight in physical world things, like at the moment the smell, sight and touch of apple blossom, but I also find delight and wonder in creations in Second Life. “

Norma Underwood: I wanted to be a nun, so this would never have worked out for that

Sheila Yoshikawa: even the rezday cake that keeps refusing to give me a slice of cake

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m sure there are SL convents

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): (actually I know a nun in here)

Norma Underwood: well I got over it

Sheila Yoshikawa: “I would not say “It’s ALL about the people” as I spend much more time on my own in SL than I do interacting with other people.”

Beth Ghostraven: Norma, I have a nun’s habit in my inventory, and I know someone in SL who is a nun in RL

Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉 @Norma

Sheila Yoshikawa: ” However, it is ALSO about the people as I have very often found people in SL helpful, open minded, willing to be imaginative or whimsical. I have met people I never would have met elsewhere. This is refreshing and restorative, and gives me a fresh perspective on life.”

Sheila Yoshikawa: So I finish with a picture looking towards new horizons

Norma Underwood: totally agree Sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: SL seems to me to have possibilities, it somehow makes me hopeful

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK so that’s my bit!!

Sheila Yoshikawa: Beth, you wanted to say something?

Norma Underwood: I think we are all still hopeful

Beth Ghostraven: yes

Beth Ghostraven: my bit is not prepared at all, but I have thought about why I’ve stayed

Beth Ghostraven: actually I’ve never really thought about leaving

Beth Ghostraven: I’m here mostly because of all of you, and all of my friends in SL

Sheila Yoshikawa: (that’s true for me too, I’ve never thought of leaving)

Beth Ghostraven: but really, I’m an introvert, so I can goof around here and not have to talk to anyone if I don’t want to

Beth Ghostraven: (that said, talk to me any time!)

Camie Rembrandt: Same here. I didn’t leave, just started using other virtual worlds as well. 🙂

Norma Underwood: me too

Shailey Garfield: Yes, it’s the inspiring community – people who are innovative and yet humble and modest about their achievements

Beth Ghostraven: I’ve used other virtual worlds, but this is the mother lode

Norma Underwood: right

Beth Ghostraven: the text communication here is a BOON to me, because I can socialize without having to wonder at what everyone is saying

Beth Ghostraven: done

Norma Underwood: I was happy to have the Reaction Grid for my students and Jokaydia

Sheila Yoshikawa: I agree with Beth’s points – that one “I can goof around here and not have to talk to anyone if I don’t want to” true for me – I feel it gives me control over that side of things?

Shailey Garfield: Sorry for the distraction – it seems that Camie and Sheila are on the same chair. I was trying to take close-up of Sheila when I discovered this.

Beth Ghostraven: that chair is jinxed today; I think the only way to fix it is if we all get up and start over

Norma Underwood: yeah, I saw that coming that’s why I moved

Dodge Threebeards: it is a chair for two

Sheila Yoshikawa: hmm, it is a glitch

Sheila Yoshikawa: it thinks there are 2 chairs and deletes one, even though there is only one!

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): Is that how Beth and I ended up on the same chair?

Norma Underwood: yes

Shailey Garfield: I think it is fine for now. I was taking photos for Twitter

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): ah

Scot Jung: musical chairs

Sheila Yoshikawa: well, we are all good friends

Dodge Threebeards: i can stand but Marly will be here

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I thought it was my ineptitude

Norma Underwood: no, it’s the table

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): whew

Scot Jung: you folks need to lay off the sauce

Sheila Yoshikawa: do you think we should all stand up and then sit again one at a time?

Norma Underwood: LOL

Dodge Threebeards: we can try

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): I have not stayed in SL, though I come here for some activities. I come for communities–VWER, NPC, Library, Rockcliffe, and Comedy groups.

I think SL is grossly overpriced. I spend more time in Opensim and web-worlds.  Done

Sheila Yoshikawa: it’s all a plan to get us to socialise

Camie Rembrandt: I like having an entire island on Craft World and, also, love creating new content on SoaS [Sim on a Stick]. Currently, I’m not thinking of developing any educational projects on SL – although I do use it a lot (mainly for creative writing related activities)

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I think it’s also interesting to see how often people leave SL and then come back at least for a bit because they are curious to see what is happening now–I have had several pop up this year and IM me

Sheila Yoshikawa: ok Camie and Selby

Sheila Yoshikawa: and Liss

Scot Jung: like a carousel

Scot Jung: wonderful

Panny (Panny Bakerly): chuckles

Sheila Yoshikawa: please try standing up

Beth Ghostraven: I think some people sat down  before everyone had gotten up

Shailey Garfield: Now Camie is in Selby’s lap

Beth Ghostraven: we need to all be standing

Camie Rembrandt: ok standing up

Norma Underwood: all the chairs need to derez

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): call the roll

Panny (Panny Bakerly): It’s like that game when the music stops you have to take a chair

Sheila Yoshikawa: ok we need to LEAVE A GAP BEFORE THE LAST CHAIR

Scot Jung: round and round the mulberry bush

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I solved my problem lol

Beth Ghostraven: not everyone stood up

Beth Ghostraven: sheesh

Sheila Yoshikawa: yay

Sheila Yoshikawa: i think we have it

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I got out of the circle

Camie Rembrandt: There seems to be enough chairs now

Shailey Garfield: Beth – I was too busy watching the circus that I forgot to stand up

Beth Ghostraven: uh oh, Sheila had too much champagne

Scot Jung: i warned her!

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I don’t know why I was suddenly rolling on the floor

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): your avie took over!

Marly (Marly Milena): Why I am still in SL

  1. I have always loved stories which involved stepping into other worlds.  It stimulates my imagination
  2. I had a skill set which I could transfer in order to create programs that were educational, fostered personal growth and helped people explore creative expression.  
  3. I made friends and was fascinated by the sociology of this place.
  4. I became attached to several groups like this one.
  5. I got to collaborate with people I would never have met in my regular life and to attend wonderful performances showcasing all sorts of talent.
  6. I keep inventing different ways of using the possibilities here which feeds my intellect, artistic side and soul.

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Marly, point 3 is so true.  It is interesting here

Marly (Marly Milena): Panny, thanks for your comment!

Sheila Yoshikawa: I agree with all Marly’s points too!

Norma Underwood: so, apparently we stay for the carousel

Camie Rembrandt: lol

Norma Underwood: yes, Marly’s points are great

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, as I said, I do actually like the whimsical and slightly random side of SL– I think I like the possibility of the unexpected

Scot Jung: I have a question for the group

Sheila Yoshikawa: go ahead Scot

Marly (Marly Milena): I think there is a fair amount of sympatico here for people who have stayed around

Scot Jung: I have been doing some focus group work on empathy in online teaching and learning. People believe that empathy is important in teaching, and for learning. I wonder if you can cite examples of how SL has fostered empathy for you or in others?

Marly (Marly Milena): and for life, Scot! wherever people congregate

Norma Underwood: I have met people who are challenged in various ways

Beth Ghostraven: Scot, I’ve done a couple of exercises where we dressed up as other people and took on roles, for roleplay

Scot Jung: nods

Beth Ghostraven: both were historical, and led to more understanding

Scot Jung: okay, i want to learn more about that, Beth–great example

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Here about someone’s life that is completely different from my own and how they coped with the struggles of their life.  Some of which I didn’t agree with but I understood where the person was coming from.

Beth Ghostraven: Norma, yes, the Virtual Ability group has really opened my eyes to a lot

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think also more awareness that people might need to experience things through text or visually

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Gentle Heron is wonderful

Marly (Marly Milena): I have people do self portraits and share them from the image’s point of view….and have other people do positive projections into each other’s pictures. That definitely builds empathy

Camie Rembrandt: Next week, I’ll be talking about an experiment with teachers taking the roles of students to better understand how to teach online.

Norma Underwood: Yes and people on the autistic spectrum

Sheila Yoshikawa: not assuming that everyone can hear, everyone can move in a particular way

Scot Jung: oh cool

Scot Jung: thank you all, this is encouraging

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually that is the serious side of the randomness i was mentioning just now

Norma Underwood: some people work out issues of child abuse in here; I’ve met many

Sheila Yoshikawa: if someone like me who has been here 11 years and done a lot of stuff can end up rolling on the floor or sitting on a seat with someone

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Behind every keyboard there is a RL person.

Sheila Yoshikawa: i hope that shows that we are not all perfect; we can’t all get things right all the time

Norma Underwood: right

Scot Jung: 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: so I hope that increases tolerance of people trying and not always getting it “right or seeing that there isn’t one right”

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Some things here can be heartbreaking.

Sheila Yoshikawa: obviously that includes typing errors, hem

Norma Underwood: yes Panny they can

Camie Rembrandt: we’re in typoland

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Panny yes losing people for example

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Yes.

Norma Underwood: or just listening to someone who has had a bad day

Sheila Yoshikawa: It can give people a way to express grief, by creating memorials and so forth

Norma Underwood: there is a dog memorial for lost pets

Sheila Yoshikawa: perhaps things they might feel shy about in the physical word

Panny (Panny Bakerly): awww

Scot Jung: i am so glad i came by today

Norma Underwood: agreed Sheila

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): Typing in virtual worlds should cure perfectionism

Dodge Threebeards: there are cases where people with emotional or mental problems have benefited from being in SL, with having a community

Norma Underwood: right Dodge

Scot Jung: i am reinvigorated in my hope to use sl as a medium for teaching

Camie Rembrandt: Often, I feel people are less ‘fake’ on VWs than on social media sites

Marly (Marly Milena): One of the biggest lessons in empathy, for me, has to do with making friends with people from other cultures who have very different ways of articulating feelings et al

Sheila Yoshikawa: that’s great @Scot!

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): And people with brain damage benefit

Beth Ghostraven: Camie, that’s interesting, considering that most people would see this as more fake than social media; I agree with you though

Camie Rembrandt: less ‘fake’= more willing to let others know not everything is perfect.

Norma Underwood: for many this is more real that RL

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Camie I agree

Norma Underwood: It has played that role for me in the past

Beth Ghostraven: I think most people don’t consider how others present the best parts of their lives on social media, not the whole picture

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think we’ve discussed this before, but I find Twitter stressful, though I feel I need to engage with it professionally

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): and as you know this is a perfect place for brain training that is meaningful and transferable

Camie Rembrandt: social presence is stronger in 3D, apparently

Marly (Marly Milena): People are often willing to be freer in what they share since they have the safety net of being able to go poof if they need to.

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): Working with computers teaches frustration tolerance

Panny (Panny Bakerly): chuckles

Shailey Garfield: SL provides ideas for projects in other 3D environments

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): and focus and hand-eye coordination etc Selby

Sheila Yoshikawa: There were a couple of questions I was going to pitch in about the longevity theme

Sheila Yoshikawa: “Do “oldbies” have particular issues (is it like the physical world in that respect?)”

Panny (Panny Bakerly): There are excellent sims about for projects

Sheila Yoshikawa: so i was thinking in the physical world i think older people get discrimination

Norma Underwood: well in here, no one knows who is older unless you tell them

Panny (Panny Bakerly): What’s “oldbies?”

Sheila Yoshikawa: in terms of assumptions about them being slow, less capable and so forth

Beth Ghostraven: I kind of revere people who have been in SL for a long time

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): I am older

Sheila Yoshikawa: of course one may also get less capable, but not necessarily more stupid

Shailey Garfield: People have conducted interesting projects here – which have really shown the potential of 3D vWs and VR in teaching, learning and training

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, did you mean old in SL or RL?

Marly (Marly Milena): I make it a point to let people know I am older since there is a generation gap in our references!

Scot Jung: ha, I’m old in all worlds!

Norma Underwood: but some 11 year olds in here are actually young in RL

Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry, by “oldbies” I meant people who had been in a virtual world a long time; I didn’t explain, sorry

Marly (Marly Milena): Hahaha

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I remarked earlier that many early users of SL who left have been returning

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I never heard of the term. Thanks.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I was contrasting it with “newbies” (who also get discriminated against)

Marly (Marly Milena): OK, ask the question again, please

Scot Jung: nods

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): I ask them why

Norma Underwood: I think getting involved with mesh was my main difficulty when I came back from Jokaydia

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Mesh drives me nuts

Marly (Marly Milena): I still reject mesh

Norma Underwood: but otherwise, nothing changed

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think Marly wanted me to repeat the question – “Do “oldbies” have particular issues “

Beth Ghostraven: yay! my people! I really don’t like mesh clothing

Camie Rembrandt: I like to become a newbie at least once a year

Norma Underwood: LOL Beth

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): how Camie?

Sheila Yoshikawa: so I was thinking – if you are older in SL years do you think people treat you differently?

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I don’t they have particular issues

Camie Rembrandt: it’s a very instructive experience

Marly (Marly Milena): But, then again, I don’t own a smartphone and my life works perfectly well!

Norma Underwood: I would say no

Norma Underwood: I’ve not been treated differently at all

Camie Rembrandt: creating an avatar, going through the whole process, and taking notes

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): Do people read profiles?

Norma Underwood: I do

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I do

Scot Jung: my time is up, thank you folks for a great conversation; take care

Sheila Yoshikawa: You actually have to know something about SL in order to be able to even tell how old someone is

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Bye

Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks Scot!

Norma Underwood: bye Scot

Sheila Yoshikawa: Bye

Dodge Threebeards: take care Scot

Camie Rembrandt: bye Scot

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): so you create a new avatar Camie?

Norma Underwood: I know 11 yr olds in here in their 30s

Camie Rembrandt: When you have the radar on, you can sort people by age

Panny (Panny Bakerly) raises hand

Marly (Marly Milena): I think there is a difference, not in SL years, but in actual years.  People often think that because I am older, I have a certain gravitas and accumulated wisdom that they want to partake of.  I tell people that I have as much to learn from them as they do from me!

Sheila Yoshikawa: Panny go ahead?

Camie Rembrandt: Yes, Liss – and go through the ‘via sacra’ of orientation, social islands, etc.

Sheila Yoshikawa: which browser is that in @Camie?

Beth Ghostraven: I just made a new avatar a couple of months ago to try out the Rockcliffe entry portal–that was interesting

Camie Rembrandt: @Sheila, sorry?

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I was thinking about San Jose State University.  They still have a sim here. Have you noticed any increased or decreased participation from the educational or librarian areas?

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Camie I used to create a new avatar regularly when I was teaching students, so i knew what their experience would be

Camie Rembrandt: yes, I think it’s important

Beth Ghostraven: the librarian community seems to be thriving, partly because Valibrarian retired in RL and has been devoting a lot of time and energy to it

Sheila Yoshikawa: I would say it decreased about – 7 years ago or so?

Sheila Yoshikawa: and kind of plateaued

Sheila Yoshikawa: so now there are new people in

Sheila Yoshikawa: but still some people leaving

Beth Ghostraven: and the SJSU Info school incorporates SL into the curriculum

Sheila Yoshikawa: what do others think?

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I was contemplating enrolling in their post graduate certificate program in Digital Archives and Record Management.

Dodge Threebeards: Most educators are busy people and will not take the time to become comfortable in a VW unless there is a real advantage

Camie Rembrandt: I find more and more educational projects being developed in OpenSim Hypergrid-enabled grids, and not SL

Panny (Panny Bakerly): SL has amazing potential which I’m not sure if it has been realized

Dodge Threebeards: so they come, they look and often , they leave

Shailey Garfield: sounds interesting, Panny

Marly (Marly Milena): It seems to me there used to be more journals, magazines and periodicals writing up different people and activities in SL.  Are there still ones that are alive (of course, there is Selby’s blog but blogs are in another category)

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Panny certainly if you wanted to talk about with anyone Valibrarian would be a good person

Dodge Threebeards: I am making a manual for how to teach in VWs

Shailey Garfield: yes, journal of virtual worlds

Panny (Panny Bakerly): @Shelia, Thank you

Shailey Garfield: also, journal of virtual studies

Camie Rembrandt: Also, there are lots of schools with private OpenSim grids

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Panny she is very friendly and helpful

Norma Underwood: I was lucky to be able to have a class in VW for my middle school kids and use it for teaching K-8, but I had to pay for my island out of pocket

Shailey Garfield: Dodge – we would like to see it – let us know when you are ready

Dodge Threebeards: will do

Shailey Garfield: Thank you, Dodge

Marly (Marly Milena): Shailey, are those journals interested in keeping readers informed about educational developments and projects around SL?

Sheila Yoshikawa: Actually @Marly looking through my old presentations reminded me how I did a lot of presentations and articles for librarians in 2008-2010 but after that interest dwindled to nothing

Shailey Garfield: not necessarily, SL, Marly but VWs and VR in a wider sense

Camie Rembrandt: @Norma, I pay for my island as well – but it’s not very expensive on Craft World

Norma Underwood: I had the Teen Grid in SL at first, then Reaction Grid, then Jokaydia

Panny (Panny Bakerly): How does Nonprofit Commons stay open.  It has to be costly for TechSoup

Shailey Garfield: Journal of virtual studies has just published its latest issue online with VWBPE papers of 2018, Marly

Marly (Marly Milena): Let me go wild for a moment—If we could take all the transcripts from our meetings over the years and edit them down, what a treasure trove of information that would be!

Norma Underwood: Jokay was very reasonable

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): TechSoup is no longer supporting NPC

Sheila Yoshikawa: also there is less blogging generally as people migrated to Twitter, I think actually that makes it a bit easier to get your blog noticed, they are less commonplace than in 2018-1015ish

Beth Ghostraven: TechSoup is not supporting Nonprofit Commons any more

Camie Rembrandt: @Marly, very true!

Panny (Panny Bakerly): wow

Shailey Garfield: I was thinking the same, Marly when we started this session.

Beth Ghostraven: NPC has been working on restructuring things to make it work

Panny (Panny Bakerly): When did TechSoup pull out.

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): about 18 months ago

Marly (Marly Milena): Of course, we lack the personpower to make that happen, time constraints etc

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I had the historical society’s office there and could never figure out how to draw any traffic.

Sheila Yoshikawa: So I will mention (since we a are nearly finished) that  a new VWER website is emerging, so we will have more positive news on that in due course. Progress had rather stalled

Dodge Threebeards: we still pay $1,770 a year with the ed discount

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): come back panny!

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): Avacon is supporting NPC, and Anse Chung.

Sheila Yoshikawa: ah

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I have to get up to speed on NPC now.

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): It is being run by an elected board, Panny–come back to Friday meetings if you can

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville): NPC is self-managed

Panny (Panny Bakerly): Still 8:30?

Wisdomseeker (Lissena): yes

Panny (Panny Bakerly): I have to calendar it.

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK

Sheila Yoshikawa: we are almost done for this week; any final thoughts?

ThinkererSelby Evans (Thinkerer Melville) is also exploring web-worlds

Shailey Garfield: Again, a distraction but Sheila have you seen the draft NMC horizon report 2018 HE? You were concerned that we may lose those reports but Educause is supporting the initiative.

Beth Ghostraven: Shailey, do you have a link for it?

Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks Shailey, no I hadn’t

Sheila Yoshikawa: could be a topic for a future meeting

Shailey Garfield: https://library.educause.edu/~/media/files/library/2018/4/previewhr2018.pdf

Shailey Garfield: it is a draft report.

Beth Ghostraven: thanks Shailey; I’m glad to hear that the reports are continuing

Shailey Garfield: they have reassured people that they are working on it.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Next week at VWER Camie is leading a session: “Thinking as someone else” – Using avatars in teacher education and the challenge to think and act as someone else

Marly (Marly Milena): Did anyone else here submit a proposal to Knight Foundation?

Sheila Yoshikawa: no, what is that Marly?

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, that’s the first I’ve heard of it

Marly (Marly Milena): Ours was rejected (they got almost 1000)

Dodge Threebeards: wow

Sheila Yoshikawa: Is it North American?

Marly (Marly Milena): They reached out to people marrying technology to the arts

Beth Ghostraven: wow, Marly, I would think your work would  be perfect for that!

Marly (Marly Milena): You can go to their website (google it) and read about them. They offer big grant money for various projects

Sheila Yoshikawa: Right

Sheila Yoshikawa: I would like to thank Beth again for the rezday feast

Marly (Marly Milena): Yes, Beth, I thought so too. We had a great team lined up

Sheila Yoshikawa: and all you for your contributions

Shailey Garfield: Thanks, Sheila and Beth

Shailey Garfield: great discussions – thank you all

Sheila Yoshikawa: and this champagne for lasting nearly an hour

Shailey Garfield: good to see you all.

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, thank you for thinking of all of this! Great inspiration, and great topic!

Camie Rembrandt: Thank you. Sheila and Beth.

Shailey Garfield: I enjoyed it very much

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