Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: January 31, 2019
Topic: Digital Badges
Photos by Beth Ghostraven
Digital Badges: pros, cons and their use in virtual worlds: This week we will discuss the use of digital badges: whether they are useful in digital environments generally and specifically in virtual worlds. In virtual worlds (VWs), there is also the question of what a digital badge is: literally a badge you wear in the VW? another object or wearable? a digital badge in some other digital space?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, I will just stop trying to eat my supper and get focused on VWER, just another minute and then I’ll start
Scot Jung: you could share your supper
Orange Planer: Dinner is irrelevant.
Orange Planer: It shall be assimilated.
LV (lorivonne.lustre): 🙂
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol @Orange I have not reached that state of zen that I can ignore my stomach
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): ㋡
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour. 8pm In UK, 3pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at https://vwer.info/. The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook please join our group there http://www.facebook.com/groups/159154226946/
Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. The topic for this week’s meeting will be: Digital Badges. As usual it is in text chat, and there is a notecard with some info in that box–just click it to get a folder. Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research in the Information School at the University of sheffield and I am lead organiser for VWER
Orange Planer whispers “We don’t need no steeking badges.”
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Orange that is one of the issues for discussion!
Beth Ghostraven: I’m Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL (http://bethghostraven.com); Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference (http://vwbpe.org); Communications Chair and Focus Sessions Producer for the ISTE Virtual Environments Network; and unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at http://venetwork.weebly.com/calendar.html; Twitter: @booklady9 I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript and recording this session on video; if you have any objection, please IM me.
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): Chantal Jager, Netherlands, Chair of The Science Circle Foundation https://www.sciencecircle.org/
Orange Planer: My name is Orange Planer and I used to spend a lot of time writing and giving classes in Second Life regarding SL and basic networking. These days I spend my time doing tech support in SL, helping people with their computers, and doing technology education.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, blogger
Kitely offers themed “grids”. Independent websites using Kitely tech but managed by an organization
https://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2019/01/2019-biz-theme-edu-kitely-offers-themed.html (This is for schools)
How to use a blog to organize a developing themed collection of information
Beth Ghostraven: Here’s info about the VWBPE Social that’s coming up on February 21: https://vwbpe.org/vwbpe-news/steampunk-social
Scot Jung: I’m Scot Jung, professor of ed leadership in Oregon USA, working on a decision making game f2f and in SL
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Hi, this time of year I am busy with virtual conferences. I am the Programs Chair for VWBPE 2019. Get those proposals in. Deadline 04 Feb
Josain Zsun: aka Budd Turner, retiree, currently maintaining Expedition Central sites and looking for pix, or article links related to Cyrus Hush for a presentation on the need for us to designate Trusted Friends to take over builds, etc when we are no longer able to login.
[NOTECARD: VWER discussion Thursday 31 january 2019]
** Topic: Digital Badges: pros, cons and their use in a virtual worlds*** (updated 11.40 SLT, 31st Jan)
Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable will take place at 12 noon SL Time, on Thursday January 31 2019.
This week we will discuss the use of digital badges: whether they are useful in digital environments generally and specifically in virtual worlds. In virtual worlds (VWs), there is also the question of what a digital badge is: literally a badge you wear in the VW?another object or wearable? a digital badge in some other digital space?
Sheila Yoshikawa will moderate this text chat discussion and start by very briefly introducing points from
Fanfarelli, J. (2018). Designing Digital Badges to Improve Learning in Virtual Worlds. Journal for Virtual Worlds Research, 11(3). https://journals.tdl.org/jvwr/index.php/jvwr/article/view/7323/6430
And the useful overview of badges in general by John Kirriemuir at
Some points from Fanfarelli
- – Badges have 3 elements (1) “Signifier” (the thing you see that represents a badge) (2) “Completion logic” (what you have to do to get the badge) (3) “Reward” (what you get – which may just be the badge but might be other things, like points)
- – The 4 aspects Fanfarelli examines in more depth are (1) “Assessing peer skill” where he uses examples from World of warcraft and Pokemon GO (2) “Fostering curiosity to drive exploration” – for this Fanfarelli describes a (I think, theoretical) example of using badges to stimulate further curiosity in a virtual world once initial curiosity to explore has waned (3) “Setting appropriate goals to structure learning” – this has the key lesson “While badging can help players set useful goals that allow them to find more usefulness in an environment, designing effective badges necessitates an understanding of which goals are actually useful” and so Fanfarelli suggests using multiple badges which address different competence levels and (4) “Teaching users through feedback” – Fanfarelli uses examples of someone being a herbalist and being encouraged to develop/explore further with clues about what they are meant to do next.
- – Fanfarelli also points out that badges can DEmotivate, replacing intrinsic with extrinsic motivation
Some points from Kirriemuir. He talks about the meaning and function of badges more generally
- – He starts by defining a badge as “usually (but not always) graphical symbols showing that the badge owner, or wearer, has completed or achieved some significant problem, task or objective, or has used resource e.g. money to purchase the badge or something that comes with the badge.”
- – He points out that “Badges tap into a strong and common activity and desire: collecting”
- – Overbadging and overexposure are identified as problems
- – In education, badges may be seen as valueless, if the focus is on gaining educational qualifications, and badges are easily forged
- – there is “the temptation for the institution to award badges to students, for display online, as a form of passive publicity or advertising.”
ALL ARE WELCOME TO VWER!
When and where: The VIRTUAL WORLDS EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE meetings start at 12 noon SLT (3pm ET – 8pm UK time) on Thursdays on VSTE in Second Life
We meet at http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/VSTE%20Island/27/27/22
Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks everyone! So just to highlight that in the notecard I pulled out some points from the 2 items that I flagged up
Sheila Yoshikawa: Fanfarelli, J. (2018). Designing Digital Badges to Improve Learning in Virtual Worlds. Journal for Virtual Worlds Research, 11(3). https://journals.tdl.org/jvwr/index.php/jvwr/article/view/7323/6430 I won’t repeat what I put in the notecard but I might pull out some of the points for discussion. So I thought we could start by saying, what are your views on the idea of badges in education? Are people in favour? Against? have you used them?
Beth Ghostraven: I plan to use them in my library
Sheila Yoshikawa: How Beth?
Beth Ghostraven: to show which students have qualified for which privileges
Sheila Yoshikawa: so they have to do some task to get the badge?
Beth Ghostraven: like certification, but smaller
Orange Planer: Who sees the badges?
Beth Ghostraven: yes, they have to be trained and show ability
Sheila Yoshikawa: and are they digital or physical?
Beth Ghostraven: Orange, that’s the catch–we need some way to see them in the physical world. They can get digital badges in our LMS
Sheila Yoshikawa: and can they see each others’ badges?
Orange Planer: I’m asking a bigger question. Does person A see Person B’s badges?
Josain Zsun: I promoted badges for my middle school Science classes. First for the mandatory Safety training & pledge cosigned with their parents. They pasted the printed badges on their lab books. At first the other teachers were skeptical. Soon badges were trending among the Ss. The other Science teacher asked if he could use them with his Ss. Teachers in other curricula soon were designing and having badges in their areas. It was great that year, forgotten the next.
Beth Ghostraven: Orange, yes (although this is theoretical for me, haven’t implemented anything yet)
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Josain, forgotten because the students got bored and de-motivated, or because the teachers moved on?
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): 😦 pity if it was such a success, Josain
Orange Planer: So how do we feel about Person A seeing that Person B has more or less badges?
LV (lorivonne.lustre): I think that sounds like fun Beth.
Sheila Yoshikawa: Seeing other people’s badges might be motivating for those who like competition and demotivating for those who don’t
Josain Zsun: @It promoted healthy competition all could participate in
Lynn (glblynlwynlwyg.jestyr): hello all
Beth Ghostraven: the criteria for each badge would be public, Orange, so someone seeing someone else’s badges would know what that person did to get the badges, and might be inspired to do the same
LV (lorivonne.lustre): How do we keep the momentum going Josain?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi – there is a notecard in the box with some information
Beth Ghostraven: Hi Lynn
Josain Zsun: I gave them out the following year, mainly because the Ss were asking about them. The other teacher(s) were overwhelmed with the Test Scores mandates handed down.
Sheila Yoshikawa: One of my phd students is looking at whether educational maths game helps alleviate maths anxiety, he can see a leaderboard of the participants – when one participant saw this he immediately started playing the game more, when another realised that Marc (n=my student) could see a leaderboard he was immediately worried and put off
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Josain, so the teachers felt they hadn’t time for it?
Orange Planer: Some kids handle competition differently.
Scot Jung: Alexiou and Schippers, 2018–very good piece on the subject actually [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10639-018-9730-6]
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): So the students were looking for the badges Josain. that sounds like success
Josain Zsun: Yes, they were concerned with spending time getting the Ss to memorize the test answers provided by administration.
Orange Planer: Personally, I hate competing against others. Because I know there is always someone else smarter than me.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol @Orange
LV (lorivonne.lustre): I prefer competition with one’s self — striving to be better
Josain Zsun: @Orange: You might enjoy reading “Becoming”
Elli Pinion: I like that your document mentions badges with feedback
Orange Planer: Too busy learning to pass my CCNA.
Beth Ghostraven: It sounds like it depends a lot on what you have to do to get the badge–memorize and pass a test? master a skill?
Elli Pinion: good point, Beth
LV (lorivonne.lustre): 🙂
Sheila Yoshikawa: I have mixed feelings – I am competitive, but also I am mostly intrinsically motivated aka I’m not much interested in doing things I don’t think are interesting
Orange Planer nods at Sheila.
Beth Ghostraven: My experiences with badges draw a lot from my years as a Girl Scout
Sheila Yoshikawa: so I am not a badge collector unless I find something intrinsically attractive about them I think
Orange Planer: Badges are why I dropped out of Boy Scouts.
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Beth – so good or bad memories
Elli Pinion: Girl Scout….a great example!
Scot Jung: and me, Orange
Beth Ghostraven: good, mostly, Sheila
Josain Zsun: My Ss had to meet milestones of labs completed , signed parental paper, Science test grades
Beth Ghostraven: Orange, what about badges made you drop out?
Sheila Yoshikawa: So we have a mixture of attitudes to badges here in this group, I think, which should be good for discussion!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): I am very pleased when I am awarded badges for some accomplishment. I wonder if that goes back to Girl Guides (Canada)?
Orange Planer: I was a pretty emotional kid. Lots going on. Having to work at anything that didn’t make me feel better immediately was a lost cause.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Students could treat badges as a quest, but that would work better if badges get you through gates to more advanced challenges
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Great concept Thinkerer
Orange Planer: I imagine a lot of kids feel that way.
Josain Zsun: The Standard tests were secondary…until administration mandated we “concentrate on the Test cheat sheets and “then teach our subject.
Sheila Yoshikawa: ouch
Elli Pinion: Yikes, Josain. Very sad.
Orange Planer: It’s all about the Benjamins, Josain.
Elli Pinion: I agree kids can be wary of failure with what is expected for a badge
Beth Ghostraven: our teachers are overwhelmed by the standardized testing climate too
Sheila Yoshikawa: So moving on to virtual worlds
Sheila Yoshikawa: though also noting that we can’t expect people to feel different about badges just because they are virtual? I mean if they have good or bad associations, they will bring them into new learning experiences
Josain Zsun: Middle schoolers approach every activity under the vale fearing failure. I had to quote many successful people that said success was built on many failures.
Orange Planer: Sheila – they might, if the VW doesn’t hold the same importance as, say, being in school.
Josain Zsun: “The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.” Henry Ford
Elli Pinion: We were wary of badges for PD at our University until a couple of people got one from outside and were thrilled. I think they might really help in VWs. But there needs to be feedback, as well.
Sheila Yoshikawa: the learners will bring those experiences/expectations, I mean
Beth Ghostraven: I”ve gotten a few virtual badges but I don’t really know what to do with them
Elli Pinion: Excellent, Josain!
Elli Pinion: lol….good point, Beth.
Scot Jung: we often need to document skill or knowledge to others
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Orange, so being more low-stakes may to a VW’s advantage
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Beth
Sheila Yoshikawa: so, one question is – what is the “signifier” of the badge in VWs
Scot Jung: as was suggested earlier, a micro credential like a badge could serve in that regard
Sheila Yoshikawa: it could actually be a badge that our avatar wears, or an item, or something to post to Facebook….
Orange Planer: Also because if they are in a VW by choice, they may be more motivated to do something new.
Orange Planer notes that he has a “Mentor Star” item from his time as a mentor for LL.
Josain Zsun: Like the safety pin on all my Outfits, I’ve been wearing for a couple of years.
Orange Planer: It’s kinda embarrassing to put it out there because everybody got one.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I was rooting round in my inventory and found a few badges, but none of them were “rewards”
LV (lorivonne.lustre): that is the intention with Mozilla Backpack. A place to share virtual badges https://backpack.openbadges.org/backpack/welcome
Sheila Yoshikawa: I haven’t got one @Orange, so it would impress me lol
Elli Pinion: Right, LV
Beth Ghostraven: I shared a notecard from Carline Thistle-Moon that’s an example of badges in SL
Sheila Yoshikawa: oooo thanks Beth
Elli Pinion: Do your safety pins draw questions/curiosity from others, Josain?
Orange Planer: And do they draw blood?
Elli Pinion: lol
Scot Jung: I recently saw a photo of North Korean generals with medals, so many that they ran down the jacket, all the way to their pants. it was not impressive, seemed odd and meaningless
Sheila Yoshikawa: There is something about open badges in the Kirriemuir item I mention inthe notecard https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20160101152313/http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/infokit/Gamification/badges
Orange Planer: As you can tell, I am not a professional educator.
Elli Pinion: 🙂
Josain Zsun: I have a dozen digital badges from CompTIA for all the IT classes I have completed, taught and/or assisted to build. I can print them on any IT related documentation.
Sheila Yoshikawa: what IS “a professional educator” (sorry – another topic!)
Elli Pinion: I think of badges like stickers on kids football helmets. (Do they still do that?)
Scot Jung: stickers on helmets, yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Josain and do you find them useful?
Sheila Yoshikawa: presumably a SL badge (3D object) could not fit in the “Backpack” unless it had some 2D form as well?
Josain Zsun: They indicate my level of enterprise IT, Security and management
Elli Pinion: And that is significant to you and others.
Sheila Yoshikawa: So – if we awarded badges for attendance at VWER – would that motivate you to attend?
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually if you say yes we may make them lol
Beth Ghostraven: not for attendance, no, Sheila; that’s like the Good Citizenship Award that’s given to every single child in the school
Sheila Yoshikawa: and what form would be useful? or is this the kind of activity where badges would be irrelevant?
Elli Pinion: hmmm…..possibly–and those would be more valuable…(moderating…etc)
Sheila Yoshikawa: for, say, moderating a session, or being interviewed, or hosting a trip?
LV (lorivonne.lustre): The 3d badge could be connected to a 2d badge information on a website, like the backpack
Beth Ghostraven: I like the idea of badges as micro-credentials
Sheila Yoshikawa: @LV that sounds a good idea, preferably with thought put into the 2D version so it looks good in that format
Beth Ghostraven: I’m wearing two of my SL badges that I found, one for 3rd place in an airship race, and one for a trivia contest
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Beth but attending VWER is not compulsory, unlike school in many countries
Elli Pinion: We used the backpack for faculty PD….worked very well. It was shocking how excited they were to earn (and that is important) a badge
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I already attend all the the VWER meetings I can. I don’t want a badge, I want useful meetings. But I am old
Scot Jung: if a diploma is irrelevant, maybe a badge becomes more useful
Sheila Yoshikawa takes picture of Beth with badges
Elli Pinion: Badges cannot take the place of quality
Josain Zsun: I had my first B.S. diploma taped to the glovebox door in my truck.
Scot Jung: for what purpose, Josain?
Elli Pinion: hahahahahaha! That’s awesome.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Selby you could have as many badges as you wanted should you want them
LV (lorivonne.lustre): It really is shocking Elli, and fun! My college has used badges for PD as well. I admit to being one of the people getting excited.
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Elli also badges cannot take the place of understanding
Elli Pinion: agree, LV and Sheila. (I was surprised I got excited at getting one.)
Josain Zsun: Well, actually a copy. I sent all my diplomas to my parents. They were/are still on the hall walls.
Elli Pinion: Cool parents.
Scot Jung: I’m with Beth, badges as a micro-credential to show competence or mastery is a good idea
Elli Pinion: Me, too. A reward, emblem that someone notices your work.
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually I didn’t used to put up my awards in my office, but once I accumulated a few I thought – why not show off! I suppose it goes back to being a child and being told NOT to show off – I think I associate displaying badges and awards as showing off (which nice little girls shouldn’t do)
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): https://digitalpromise.org/initiative/educator-micro-credentials/
Josain Zsun: CompTia certs are an accepted IT standard like Novell’s & Micro$oft’s certs.
Orange Planer: Doctors put their credentials on the wall to show competence. Teachers and lawyers should do the same.
Scot Jung: We Quakers have something to say about not showing off!
Elli Pinion: I struggled with that, too, Sheila. Nice girls are humble.
Elli Pinion: exactly, Orange
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Unless they sew all their badges to a sash @ Sheila
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol @Lori
Orange Planer: IT people should have a badge sash of all the things they’ve broken.
Elli Pinion: When I realized our culture in HE is to “get” awards, and show them off, they started going up, lol
Beth Ghostraven: Elli, what is HE? Higher Education?
Elli Pinion: yes, HE = Higher Education, sorry
LV (lorivonne.lustre): LOL Orange
Sheila Yoshikawa: campaign for more badges and more sashes
Orange Planer: If you aren’t breaking stuff, you aren’t working.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol @Orange
Elli Pinion: That can be true in Ed, as well.
Elli Pinion: you just have to be a bit more careful not to break a person.
Scot Jung: job security, Orange?
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): For university professors, publications are badges
Elli Pinion: YES, Selby
Josain Zsun: Our district mandated teachers display their diplomas on their classroom walls (hence the copies I made) and in our mandatory webpages.
Sheila Yoshikawa: so would anyone here be MORE incentivised to offer to moderate or lead a session at VWER if they got a badge for doing it?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Just pursuing my worked example
Scot Jung: Sheila, i want to do it because i need help
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Selby yes, and citation counts
Beth Ghostraven: Hi Red!
Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, no
Sheila Yoshikawa: there is the invisible badge of social capital
Sheila Yoshikawa: which can be more valuable than a badge
Orange Planer: I would be less incentivised if I got a badge for doing something.
Sheila Yoshikawa reminds herself never to offer Orange a badge
Orange Planer: It’s like a bribe.
Elli Pinion: Hi Red. I agree, no. But getting it might be a way to thank someone.
Sheila Yoshikawa: Do you think, in virtual worlds, people expect the “badge” to be something 3D?
Scot Jung: ah, Elli, a memento
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Ah, now that is an idea Elli.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Right Sheila, citation counts if deans are smart enough to check or of profs are enterprising enough to report.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think I would be disappointed if there were a badge I’d earned in SL and I just got a 2D texture sent to me
Elli Pinion: Good question, Sheila.
Sheila Yoshikawa: even if I couldn’t or didn’t display it, it seems more tangible
Elli Pinion: I think the backpack is more public, but a texture is too private. Perhaps backpack and 3D for VW?
Sheila Yoshikawa: mementos – different from badges, but can serve a similar purpose
Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, yes, I would want a VW badge to be 3D so I could display it
Sheila Yoshikawa: for example I know people who collect their conference badges in the physical world, and actually I treasure my VWBPE conference badges
Elli Pinion: Agree…love conference badges!
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I put a gadget on my blog that counts the number of visits. That is a badge.
LV (lorivonne.lustre): I would be a conference badge collector as well, virtual and physical
Sheila Yoshikawa: my favourite physical conference badge is one from a virtual worlds conference where they put on a picture of Sheila Yoshikawa and both my names, I still have it 10 years later
LV (lorivonne.lustre): 🙂
Beth Ghostraven: I treasure my VWBPE badges because mine are individualized :o)
Sheila Yoshikawa: this has deviated a bit from badges
Orange Planer: Well, we can talk about badgers, if you like.
Josain Zsun: shot glasses with logo…
Elli Pinion: @Scott – lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: but it occurs to me how it is so much cheaper to give people mementos in virtual worlds, which can serve SOME of the same functions in encouraging people to bond or connect or remember
LV (lorivonne.lustre): I like those too Josain 🙂
Beth Ghostraven: shot glasses–teachers need those more than coffee mugs, it could be argued!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): LOL
Scot Jung: how about group badge!
Orange Planer: I agree with a group badger.
Scot Jung: We did it!
Elli Pinion: I think that having them in VW is more important, as we need acknowledgment.
Elli Pinion: hahahahaha…so true, Beth!
Sheila Yoshikawa: this appears to be the only badger in my inventory
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually rather cute
Elli Pinion: Teacher Happy Hours…the best!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): awww…
Orange Planer: I like that badger.
Scot Jung: for supper?
Beth Ghostraven: aww, cute!
Orange Planer: It could make a good mascot.
Elli Pinion: adorable
Orange Planer: Badgers – determined for education.
Sheila Yoshikawa: one of my favourite creators
Beth Ghostraven: I don’t think a badger would make a good hufflepuff, though–too fierce
Sheila Yoshikawa: ANYWAY
Elli Pinion: 🙂
Sheila Yoshikawa: any final thoughts on badges?
Josain Zsun: Meanwhile…
Orange Planer: Badges – how to de-anxiety them.
Orange Planer: (Goes for badgers, too.)
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes we have established, just from this non representative sample, that some people are incentivised by badges and some not
Elli Pinion: I think they are surprisingly helpful. love the points made in your document….can do it too much, they need feedback from the “teacher/leader”
Scot Jung: the citation i shared earlier has a wonderful framework for analyzing this
Sheila Yoshikawa: that it also depends on what the badges are FOR and the context – who you want to impress with your credibility/capabilities
Orange Planer: Now, if my badges were worth something….
Orange Planer: That changes things.
Elli Pinion: enjoying that one, Scot
Elli Pinion: AH….the key?
Scot Jung: the learner’s disposition
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes
Scot Jung: we cannot impose a one size fits all on motivation
Elli Pinion: And how they are “introduced”
Elli Pinion: Wish there was one, but true there is not with humans.
Beth Ghostraven: Orange, that’s the key–they need to be worth something, whether it’s money, or increased privileges, or whatever
Sheila Yoshikawa: There was a paper I meant to check the details of – which was taking the research on types of gamer, and reworking it for gamification (which badges fall into)
Josain Zsun: I forgot to mention, there were activities in my classes that required you have a certain badge. No labs if you hadn’t achieved the Lab Safety badge.
Sheila Yoshikawa: Identifying how you need to have different strategies to motivate the different types
Sheila Yoshikawa: that one makes sense @Josain!
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): So Badges could be optional– for students, could be traded for test exemptions
Orange Planer: Heh.
Elli Pinion: Ours did the same, they were scaffolded
Orange Planer likes Thinkerer’s suggestion.
Josain Zsun: Lab partners then badgered the non-badged members of their teams.
Beth Ghostraven: lol Josain
Orange Planer: Badgering for badges.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol
Elli Pinion: lol
Beth Ghostraven: test exemptions–now that’s a worthwhile value for a badge!
Scot Jung: and next, comes the weasels
Beth Ghostraven: haha Scot
Orange Planer: Badge badgers.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I would have seen a test exemption as valuable because I could do something else with that time
Sheila Yoshikawa: that article Scot referred to: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10639-018-9730-6
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Thank you
Scot Jung: it’s a good one; Dutch authors
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually it might be related to the one I just vaguely referred to and hadn’t re-found
Sheila Yoshikawa: it is open access hurrah
Orange Planer: Sheila, we call that “hand waving.”
Sheila Yoshikawa: at this point – Scot, do you want to say a few words about NEXT week, when we have an interesting activity?
Scot Jung: sure, thank you, Sheila
Scot Jung: and no badge required
Orange Planer: So I won’t badger you for one.
Elli Pinion: I”m hoping to get a couple of new folks in soon. Hopefully, next week.
Scot Jung: next week, i will lead. We will start here, but then go over to Rockville, which is the sim we have developed to make a SL version of a board game for an ethics course i teach. Each player assumes the role of a marginalized student and then has to work toward earning a scholarship, and most do not make it
Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m looking forward to this!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): That sounds great
Orange Planer hears an REM song coming.
Elli Pinion: awesome
Scot Jung: I need help. It works well as a board game. I need people to help me figure out how to take full advantage of the virtual environment. I will share the landmark now if you want to go peek: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Rockville/40/127/27
Scot Jung: and i will have a notecard
Sheila Yoshikawa: so next week we will start here as a gathering point and then TP over–so I hope you can all join us then!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): OK
Elli Pinion: Love to see it and help!
Sheila Yoshikawa: so thanks everyone for today’s discussion
Elli Pinion: Great conversation….good resources! TY!
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Thank you for a great discussion
Scot Jung: question
Orange Planer: Professional Educator (definition): someone who gets paid to teach.
Orange Planer: 42
Scot Jung: how current is the archive of transcripts?
LV (lorivonne.lustre): 42 is always the answer
Sheila Yoshikawa: coughs
Elli Pinion: hahahaha
Beth Ghostraven: Scot, it’s not
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): Thank you all, for the information, SC will use this to determine how we will implement badges as well.
Sheila Yoshikawa: We need to get the last month or so up there
Beth Ghostraven: would you like to help make it current?
Scot Jung: i would yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: I will do one or two later today
Scot Jung: if you tell me what to do
Beth Ghostraven laughs at “last month or so”
Sheila Yoshikawa: you get badges, Scot
LV (lorivonne.lustre): 🙂
Beth Ghostraven: lol
Beth Ghostraven: sure, why not!
Scot Jung: i do not need a badge, just direction
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): ㋡
Sheila Yoshikawa: Beth can I leave that to you to teach Scot about it?
Beth Ghostraven: yes, Sheila
LV (lorivonne.lustre): Later gators, and dinosaur
Orange Planer: I’ll carry your books, I’ll carry a torch, I’ll carry a tune, I’ll carry on, carry over, carry forward, Cary Grant, cash and carry, carry me back to Old Virginia, I’ll even ‘hari-kari’ if you show me how, but I will not carry a badge!
Josain Zsun: Education is not something you finish – Isaac Asimov
Sheila Yoshikawa: very true
Orange Planer waves
Chantal Jager (nymf.hathaway): Have a lovely weekend everyone!
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