July 22, 2021: Better together? Pros and Cons of an educational grid

Topic: Better together? Pros and cons of an educational grid
Photo by Sheila Webber

Photo of VWER Discussion 22nd July 2021

[2021/07/22 12:01] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour.
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds.
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): here in Africa it is -6 degrees tonight
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript in due course. The transcripts can be found at https://vwer.info/.
[2021/07/22 12:02] PI (pi.illios): we have Sahara dust as frosting to the cake :-((
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: brrr Sunny, though actually that sounds sort of attractive at the moment
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): Come over :))
[2021/07/22 12:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL.
If you are on Facebook please join our group there http://www.facebook.com/groups/159154226946/
[2021/07/22 12:02] Max Chatnoir: Good heavens! isn’t that cold for Africa?
[2021/07/22 12:03] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): Africa broke :P~~~~
[2021/07/22 12:03] Sheila Yoshikawa: The topic for this week’s meeting will be:
[2021/07/22 12:03] Sheila Yoshikawa: Better together? Pros and Cons of an educational grid
[2021/07/22 12:03] Sheila Yoshikawa: First let’s start by introducing ourselves. Please type as much or as little about yourself as you want to, in text chat.
Just type in all at once.
[2021/07/22 12:03] Sheila Yoshikawa: Then after that I know Phelan wants to say a few words
[2021/07/22 12:04] Meryl McBride: Meryl McBride, Colorado State University
[2021/07/22 12:04] PI (pi.illios): PI Illios Virtual Reference medical Librarian & Library Website Content Developer & Administrator Conrado F. Asenjo Library University of Puerto Rico’s Medical Sciences Campus https://www.upr.edu/biblioteca-rcm FB https://www.facebook.com/PicaraPI Twitter @PI_illios
[2021/07/22 12:04] Max Chatnoir: Max Chatnoir. I teach biology at a small university in Texas, and run (and teach on) Genome Island here.
[2021/07/22 12:04] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Fort Worth, blogger, retired prof. of psychology
https://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/
[2021/07/22 12:04] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): I am a Hungarian living in South Africa – been part of various edu projects on SL and on other grids.
[2021/07/22 12:04] Max Chatnoir: Thinkerer, you’re in Fort Worth??
[2021/07/22 12:04] Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, Boston Ma. area, multi artist, educator, Gestalt.Jungian practitioner, coach, facilitator. See http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com. Founder of Octagon:Creative Exploration in SL and inventor of SymMod (symbolic modeling) for virtual education. and RL
[2021/07/22 12:05] Wisdomseeker (lissena): is Founder of Whole Brain Health programs and owner of Inspiration Island, home of Lifelong Learning for Well-Being Online. WBH is a virtual arm of the Ageless Mind Project ( 501c3). FB: Virtual Inspiration Island; website: http://VirtualInspirationIsland.org.
and (in Opensim) Virtual-Learning-Village.org. NYC Area
[2021/07/22 12:05] Sheila Yoshikawa: I am a faculty member in the Information School, University of Sheffield, England, UK. I am VWER leader and owner of Infolit iSchool, my department’s island, which is dedicated to information literacy and learning
[2021/07/22 12:05] Valibrarian Gregg: Valerie Hill https://communityvirtuallibrary.org/ Seattle @valibrarian Quick reminder: LIVE music at the CVL Marly Milena Music Library this SAT 7/24 10am SLT kicking off our Musician of the Month events!
[2021/07/22 12:05] Phelan Corrimal: Kevin Feenan – Rockcliffe University Consortium https://urockcliffe.com
[2021/07/22 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks everyone, do add your introduction if you haven’t already
[2021/07/22 12:06] Senn Maximus: California grown, and founder of Builder’s Brewery. An active educational and training community in SL since 2008
[2021/07/22 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: But Phelan, I think you had something to say – could you please use chat for it if that’s OK?
[2021/07/22 12:07] Sheila Yoshikawa: not sure why I said “But” there
[2021/07/22 12:07] Phelan Corrimal: if it’s all right a minute. Try to use Dragon see if that works
[2021/07/22 12:07] Pionia Destiny: EFL professor and Edunation rsident. VWMOOC2021 organizer. Besitos to you all.
[2021/07/22 12:07] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): hi Stranger 🙂
[2021/07/22 12:07] Sheila Yoshikawa: sort of lol
[2021/07/22 12:07] Phelan Corrimal: yeah my dragons a bit drunk
[2021/07/22 12:07] Stranger Nightfire: hello Sunny
[2021/07/22 12:07] Phelan Corrimal: so there were a couple of things that I wanted to bring up to the table here. Things that have changed over the last little bit
[2021/07/22 12:08] Phelan Corrimal: one of the things that we’ve been talking toLinden Labs about over the last several months
[2021/07/22 12:08] Phelan Corrimal: actually you know something Dragon been really bad so I think I might switch it off
[2021/07/22 12:08] Phelan Corrimal: We have been talking to Linden Lab about a number of different things over the last 2-3 months
[2021/07/22 12:09] Phelan Corrimal: An Education Gateway is one – Rockcliffe is going to be transforming our Community Gateway area to accept more education focused new avatars
[2021/07/22 12:09] Phelan Corrimal: we have a new URL for this that will be easier for groups to remember – https://www.enroll.onl/
[2021/07/22 12:10] Sheila Yoshikawa: oooh that looks good!
[2021/07/22 12:10] Max Chatnoir: Is that instead of secondlife.com, Phelan?
[2021/07/22 12:10] Phelan Corrimal: people would like their educational regions added to our teleport area then please send me the teleport landmarks and any other materials you would like us to make available
[2021/07/22 12:10] Phelan Corrimal: Max – yes –
[2021/07/22 12:10] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Good
[2021/07/22 12:10] Phelan Corrimal: Any new avatars registered through our portal will land in the Rockcliffe Community Gateway area
[2021/07/22 12:10] Phelan Corrimal: rather than the default LL one
[2021/07/22 12:11] Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): hi all sorry i’m late
[2021/07/22 12:11] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Very good
[2021/07/22 12:11] Phelan Corrimal: we are working on making major improvements to the gateway area and will be doing a tour with the VWEC and NPC groups later in August
[2021/07/22 12:11] Phelan Corrimal: Linden Lab has also opened the door to moving educational regions into a dedicated space on the grid
[2021/07/22 12:12] Phelan Corrimal: I’m working through with Madori at the moment where that is going to be
[2021/07/22 12:13] Phelan Corrimal: I’ve put forward 4 areas where education regions are currently clustered and a request that they block off a space 40 x 40 regions that would be only for educational communities, schools, and non-profits focused on education or training
[2021/07/22 12:13] Phelan Corrimal: I was hoping to share the google doc for that today however Madori still need to get approval from the higher ups and most of them are on vacation over the next couple of weeks
[2021/07/22 12:13] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Rockcliffe can give LMs to other educational places
[2021/07/22 12:13] Phelan Corrimal: with luck – end of end week we’ll know where the space will be
[2021/07/22 12:14] Phelan Corrimal: Thinkerer – yep – will be working with VWEC on that as well since we both have the same focus there
[2021/07/22 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: Belatedly, Hi @Jamie
[2021/07/22 12:15] Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): 🙂
[2021/07/22 12:15] Max Chatnoir: Will the sims still be separate islands?
[2021/07/22 12:15] Phelan Corrimal: This may represent a good opportunity to collaborate on shared resourcing a bit more so that groups don’t have to reinvent the wheel all the time
[2021/07/22 12:15] Phelan Corrimal: Max – yes – it will be based on how the estate owner wants the region to be set-up in relationship to the others
[2021/07/22 12:16] Max Chatnoir: Great!
[2021/07/22 12:16] Phelan Corrimal: but the advatange to a dedicated educational space on the grid is that we won’t have sex clubs moving in next door
[2021/07/22 12:16] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Sims can be attached to each other if the owners agree.
[2021/07/22 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: Re wat @Max said – I was also wondering – will they be adjacent (joined up, with water in between you can fly/boat over, or not joined at all?
[2021/07/22 12:16] Pionia Destiny: Great!
[2021/07/22 12:16] Phelan Corrimal: which is a big concern for a number of universities and colleges
[2021/07/22 12:16] Phelan Corrimal: thinkerer – yep
[2021/07/22 12:16] Wisdomseeker (lissena): when you look at the worldmap you will see the regions in a cluster–gives a sense of connection
[2021/07/22 12:16] Senn Maximus: I’m sorry, but I’m only hearing about some project with educational organizations with LL for the first time as of two days ago. And about the grid as of last night… Is this only going through Rockcliffe? and not the other schools in SL?
[2021/07/22 12:16] PI (pi.illios): Sounds very promising
[2021/07/22 12:17] Max Chatnoir: Worked great for the old SciLands cluster!
[2021/07/22 12:17] Phelan Corrimal: Sheila – it will be up to us to coorindate if we want to do that – otherwise all the regular rules will still apply for region placement
[2021/07/22 12:17] Phelan Corrimal: LL will cover the cost of the move thou so no cost involved in moving things around
[2021/07/22 12:17] Senn Maximus: did LL make any kind of announcement about this?
[2021/07/22 12:17] Phelan Corrimal: so long as we aren’t coming to them every 3 days with a different move request obviously
[2021/07/22 12:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: So basically it is a good idea to talk t the owners of regions you would like to cozy next to…..
[2021/07/22 12:17] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): The new area is for all educational activities that choose to move.
[2021/07/22 12:17] Marly (marly.milena): Will there be an area for adult educators not connected to universities?
[2021/07/22 12:18] Phelan Corrimal: yes
[2021/07/22 12:18] Briony (brionyblack): -What maturity rating would these regions have – mixed or all the same?
[2021/07/22 12:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Senn I don’t think so?
[2021/07/22 12:18] Pionia Destiny: language schools?
[2021/07/22 12:18] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – regions must be G or M rated – no A rated regions allowed in the space
[2021/07/22 12:18] Marly (marly.milena): Not me! LOL===Briony!
[2021/07/22 12:18] Phelan Corrimal: can be mixed G/M (sort of like my driver’s licence 😛 )
[2021/07/22 12:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think Marly was talking about adult education – lifelong learners, not “adult” matters ;-)))
[2021/07/22 12:19] Senn Maximus: LOL
[2021/07/22 12:19] Marly (marly.milena): whispers: Yes—thanks,
[2021/07/22 12:19] Marly (marly.milena): Sheila
[2021/07/22 12:19] Senn Maximus: 🙂
[2021/07/22 12:19] Phelan Corrimal: language schools are okay as well – you don’t necessarily have to have the educational discount to be given access
[2021/07/22 12:20] Phelan Corrimal: however if there are any education related regions that don’t have the discount then come talk to Rockcliffe – we’ll get you signed up through us and can extend our coverage to those that aren’t covered
[2021/07/22 12:20] Wisdomseeker (lissena): our lifelong learning programs will continue to be part of this Marly
[2021/07/22 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: so basically – if you get the educational discount you can assume you qualify, if you don’t get the discount you need to get in touch with you@Phelan first?
[2021/07/22 12:21] Phelan Corrimal: yep – I made a point to confirm that Inspiration Island can be included due to the nature of the educational related activities you have on there.
[2021/07/22 12:21] Marly (marly.milena): I assume there will be dual locations on our “home” sim and on the ed sim?
[2021/07/22 12:21] Phelan Corrimal: pretty much – yep
[2021/07/22 12:21] Max Chatnoir: Genome has the educational discount now and my uni is paying the server fees. If they discontinue my class and stop paying the server fees, will I be able to keep the ed discount?
[2021/07/22 12:22] Phelan Corrimal: Rockcliffe is still grandfathered under the old rules and Linden Lab is appreciative of the work we have been doing here so they have extended our arrangements
[2021/07/22 12:22] Sheila Yoshikawa: it will still just be the one location, won’t it, samee LMs and so forth, just a different server and a different map position?
[2021/07/22 12:22] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Phelan–Cookie will also want to go there.
[2021/07/22 12:22] Wisdomseeker (lissena): yay Thinkerer!
[2021/07/22 12:22] Valibrarian Gregg: /me is glad Selby said that!
[2021/07/22 12:22] Marly (marly.milena): Will the libraries be part of the array?
[2021/07/22 12:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Max I think once you qualify they don’t really care who pays the bills
[2021/07/22 12:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: I did pay for this island one year
[2021/07/22 12:23] Phelan Corrimal: Max – that might be iffy – if you keep it under their name and simply switch the email address using your .edu address you should be okay – however if they request a 501c3 confirmation we can discuss about how to keep the region active
[2021/07/22 12:23] Max Chatnoir: OUTSTANDING!!
[2021/07/22 12:23] Max Chatnoir: Our students aren’t the only ones who use the place.
[2021/07/22 12:24] Phelan Corrimal: Thinkerer – once I know for certain where things are going to end up I’ll open up the document for moves
[2021/07/22 12:24] Marly (marly.milena): See my question about libraries?
[2021/07/22 12:25] Phelan Corrimal: the primary purpose of the region however has to be for education – so I can’t do homesteads for individuals to do non-educational related activities
[2021/07/22 12:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly CVL will be
[2021/07/22 12:25] Max Chatnoir: That makes sense.
[2021/07/22 12:25] Marly (marly.milena): Oh, good!
[2021/07/22 12:25] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – sorry – missed it – yes CVL and other Libraries can be included
[2021/07/22 12:25] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Cookie might be available for connection to other sims
[2021/07/22 12:25] Phelan Corrimal: was focused on typing since my dragon is a bit too under the weather 😛
[2021/07/22 12:26] Marly (marly.milena): Suppose educators have ideas for new projects requiring additional space once there. Will this be accomodated?
[2021/07/22 12:26] Briony (brionyblack): it sounds like an awesome plan
[2021/07/22 12:26] Phelan Corrimal: ya – Eduisland used to have a large land mass that connected a number of education related regions – we could if we wanted to build up something like that again
[2021/07/22 12:26] Senn Maximus: Phelan, is this basically putting all of those schools who want to join in on this grid, under the Rockcliffe banner? Because they are all under your estate?
[2021/07/22 12:27] Wisdomseeker (lissena): to be clear–there are costs involved in this?
[2021/07/22 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: BTW – VWER transcripts aren’t exactly up to date , ahem , but I will get this transcript up today or tomorrow as it may be of particular interest
[2021/07/22 12:27] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): thank you, Sheila… errm.. I keep crashing… but want the transcript..
[2021/07/22 12:27] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Moving an island usually has a cost.
[2021/07/22 12:27] Phelan Corrimal: Senn – no – not all under Rockcliffe – only those that can’t get the educational discount and become Rockcliffe members in order to get the discount – otherwise each estate owner would remain as they are
[2021/07/22 12:28] Dodge Threebeards: I also want it
[2021/07/22 12:28] Meryl McBride: As do I. Smiles.
[2021/07/22 12:29] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): so, going back to Marly’s question: how will LL accomodtae and include new educator ideas, new sims, and so on …. Merely expand the region?
[2021/07/22 12:29] Phelan Corrimal: Wisdom – No cost for the move – In terms of Rockcliffe involvement – we generally take the Educational Discount rate and factor it up by 10% to cover our administrative and banking fees
[2021/07/22 12:29] Max Chatnoir: Might as well send it to the whole VWER group!
[2021/07/22 12:29] Senn Maximus: BB receives a discount, however, we would not be able to offer this to other schools, but Rockcliffe can? I don’t mean to put so many questions there for ya, just trying to figure out why and hows of all of this.
[2021/07/22 12:29] Wisdomseeker (lissena): so people will pay for their regions
[2021/07/22 12:29] Marly (marly.milena): Phelan, is it possible to put this info together on a notecard to absorb later?
[2021/07/22 12:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, so my understanding is that if we wanted Infolit iSchool to move it could either (1) be in the education grid, but on its own as an island – so it would look just like now when you’re on it – or (2) be directly next to other islands on one or more sides
[2021/07/22 12:29] Phelan Corrimal: I’ve very up front by that – nothing hidden in terms of shady dealings
[2021/07/22 12:30] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – in a notecard – yes – Linden Lab is not advertising this as a standard service offering however so its mostly word of mouth at this point until / unless they say otherwise
[2021/07/22 12:30] Phelan Corrimal: Sheila – yep
[2021/07/22 12:31] Dodge Threebeards: I remember the Genome and Biome were separated by a strip of water and connected by a bridge. That seemed to work well
[2021/07/22 12:31] Max Chatnoir: Yes, it did!
[2021/07/22 12:31] Phelan Corrimal: Wisdom – billing would only change if someone wanted Rockcliffe to extend our arrangements as a Rockcliffe member – otherwise LL still bills on a 6-mo or 12-mo basis for all edu / non-profit regions
[2021/07/22 12:32] Eyeclectic: Am looking for similar options for preserving “The Butterfly Eyeffect”, which is molded to the island it’s on, while expanding its potential reach ~
[2021/07/22 12:32] Phelan Corrimal: The posted rate is $99/mth for a full region and $54/mth for a homestead if people go direct
[2021/07/22 12:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Dodge yes if Infolit was next to other islands I think I would draw in the shoreline a bit to give more water space and have a number of bridges
[2021/07/22 12:33] Max Chatnoir: But even just having a common teleport connection would be great!
[2021/07/22 12:33] Phelan Corrimal: Sheila – ya – I think there is lots of opportunity here. Rockcliffe has a full gateway and a full region sandbox – we have a couple of different libraries – lots of opportunity for groups to focus on what they do best and then share the other resources as we need
[2021/07/22 12:34] Phelan Corrimal: Max – yep – there are several ideas on that already at this point – I think it will be a few months out before we have something that everyone agrees is efficient for getting people around
[2021/07/22 12:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Eyeclectic @Phelan possibly “stage 2” but making it easier for educators who don’t want/need a whole region to rent space in a more reliaible education sounds an advantage
[2021/07/22 12:34] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): very interesting to listen in – must go to prepare for my event 🙂 good luck with all the planning 🙂
[2021/07/22 12:35] Phelan Corrimal: I hope so
[2021/07/22 12:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks for dropping by @sunny!
[2021/07/22 12:35] Sunny Sza (szavanna.anatra): byebyee 🙂
[2021/07/22 12:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: It sounds like we seen plenty of advantages of joining into a grid!
[2021/07/22 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: bye Sunny
[2021/07/22 12:35] Phelan Corrimal: Linden Lab also opened the door to us being more involved in submitting feature requests directly to the QA team that reviews and vets new requests
[2021/07/22 12:36] Phelan Corrimal: They do this quarterly – I put in 4 a few weeks ago before the lastest window closed – of those 3 have been accepted for future implementation – here is an example of one of them https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-230946
[2021/07/22 12:37] Phelan Corrimal: If people could help us with this I have a survey out there to collect more information about how people are using Second Life and what new features or functionality would be helpful — https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HLQSF5R
[2021/07/22 12:37] Phelan Corrimal: we have about 120 responses so far and I’ll be starting focus groups to round out many of the submitted ideas starting next month
[2021/07/22 12:38] Phelan Corrimal: This would be in preparation to submit a new group of requests at the end of September before the new intake cycle
[2021/07/22 12:38] Phelan Corrimal: I’m still hoping they will accept the request to allow the ability of Estate Owners / Estate Managers to move any object on their region
[2021/07/22 12:39] Wisdomseeker (lissena): praying for that one!
[2021/07/22 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes @Phelan that would be SOOOO useful
[2021/07/22 12:39] Phelan Corrimal: that is a huge one in my books that would benefit almost every estate owner – so still going to be pushing for that one
[2021/07/22 12:39] Meryl McBride: I wish that I could stay for the rest of the conversation, but I have an RL commitment at the top of the hour. I long for the days of ca. 07-10 when SL had an educational land rush. I was involved. Anything that can be done to rebuild that type of footprint is a good thing, and this effort seems to be a great way to begin the process. I will be excited to hear more about it.
[2021/07/22 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: I have some items from long-gone students that I don’t want to lose, but they are not in the most convenient places
[2021/07/22 12:40] Phelan Corrimal: I need to create a way that we can review and comment on new requests so everyone can see and comment
[2021/07/22 12:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks for coming along @Meryl
[2021/07/22 12:40] Marly (marly.milena): I hope there will be a neutral gathering space where things can happen spontaneously 24/7–maybe in the center of it all!
[2021/07/22 12:40] PI (pi.illios): Like a forum maybe?
[2021/07/22 12:40] Phelan Corrimal: LL is doing a lot of work with the support of the C-Level management to get back to those times – Madori as a dedicated Educational liaison is a huge step forward
[2021/07/22 12:40] Senn Maximus: I’ll have to ask LL if they would extend this same deal with other educational organizations too. There are more educational organizations that are not necessarily academia/university based, but based on real world skill training. Technical skills, etc. who may not find a fit with this particular grouping you are creating.
[2021/07/22 12:41] Senn Maximus: I’d love to meet up with the Help Education Quorum group as well for input.
[2021/07/22 12:41] Marly (marly.milena): Forum, ed experiments, with immediate feedback, war stories, etc
[2021/07/22 12:41] Valibrarian Gregg: yes Marly….like a VWEC gathering space where all groups use a “learning commons” for socializing
[2021/07/22 12:41] Senn Maximus: will be exciting to see where you go with this
[2021/07/22 12:42] Valibrarian Gregg: VWEC- so it is inclusive to all- not just certain groups or institutions
[2021/07/22 12:42] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): isn’t that similar to what the NPC has established?
[2021/07/22 12:42] Phelan Corrimal: Senn – When I created Rockcliffe it wasn’t just for Universities / Colleges – I completely get it that educators fit in all shapes and sizes and so trying to build the infrastructure to support any educator formal or otherwise
[2021/07/22 12:42] Briony (brionyblack): fascinating. RL needs me
[2021/07/22 12:42] Briony (brionyblack): tc!£
[2021/07/22 12:43] Wisdomseeker (lissena): we often refer our newbies to Builders brewery btw
[2021/07/22 12:43] Marly (marly.milena): Folks, we are definitely in the Aquarian Age–collaboration and shared experiences!
[2021/07/22 12:43] Phelan Corrimal: Val – I think so long as we can justify the region use as being educational focused – then yes it should be inclusive
[2021/07/22 12:43] Wisdomseeker (lissena): The easier it is to find you, the better
[2021/07/22 12:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: I did say we would discuss DISadvantages of joining in a grid!
[2021/07/22 12:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: It seems like so far it could be – you get trapped with not enough room to expand – there may be groups that feel excluded (also possibly issues of lag?)
[2021/07/22 12:43] Senn Maximus: thank you for that, Wisdomseeker
[2021/07/22 12:44] Senn Maximus: Do they need to be a Rockcliffe member to get the discount?
[2021/07/22 12:44] Phelan Corrimal: There are disadvantages – certainly – some groups may not want to be in the same area as everyone else – they may have expansion or contraction plans that preclude something like this
[2021/07/22 12:44] Phelan Corrimal: I can extend our arrangement to Rockcliffe members – so if through us – then yes
[2021/07/22 12:45] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Sheila–Lag applies to sims. Where they are is irrelevant
[2021/07/22 12:45] Phelan Corrimal: otherwise they would need to go direct and meet LL requirements for proof of educational / non-profit status
[2021/07/22 12:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Selby thank you, should have known that!
[2021/07/22 12:46] Wisdomseeker (lissena): puts in a plug for Phelan–an exemplary “landlord” since 2014 for us
[2021/07/22 12:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: Being paranoid here … you ask what you think is your best friend (group/university) if you can be next to them, and they already friended up with someone else….
[2021/07/22 12:46] Phelan Corrimal: blush ty Wisdomeseeker
[2021/07/22 12:46] Senn Maximus: LOL like being picked last for kickball teams
[2021/07/22 12:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: exactly!
[2021/07/22 12:47] Max Chatnoir: That might be the advantage of a common teleport location.
[2021/07/22 12:47] Senn Maximus: funny
[2021/07/22 12:47] Phelan Corrimal: Sheila – yes that is a concern – if certain groups have a falling out then it can get weird
[2021/07/22 12:47] Marly (marly.milena): Hoping the interchange will be inspired by the setup rather than each groups sticking to its own pursuits
[2021/07/22 12:48] Marly (marly.milena): or, i should say, in ADDITION to its own pursuits
[2021/07/22 12:48] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Not all connection wishes will be satisfied. LMs will still work.
[2021/07/22 12:48] Phelan Corrimal: if they are directly connected – otherwise its mainly a safe place to distance from other private regions that may not present a good public face to your members
[2021/07/22 12:48] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – I’m sure there will be a mixture of both
[2021/07/22 12:48] Max Chatnoir: Lots of possibilities here.
[2021/07/22 12:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hello @Do we are just in the last 10 minutes of our discussion about the likely educational grid
[2021/07/22 12:49] Do Lubitsch: hello, thanks
[2021/07/22 12:49] Max Chatnoir: I think that having the educational sims in a common area might increase the edu use of SL.
[2021/07/22 12:49] Phelan Corrimal: NMC for example still has its little cluster of 17 regions active on the grid even through it shut down years ago
[2021/07/22 12:49] Marly (marly.milena): The other thing we talked about earlier was an object/resource bank of tools that any/all educators could access easily
[2021/07/22 12:49] Phelan Corrimal: I doubt they will want to move even if the cost is free
[2021/07/22 12:50] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Phelan I assumed NMC weren’t paying any more but LL hadn’t deleted them? so I was wrong?
[2021/07/22 12:51] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – I think a number of us have been discussing that – in our Rockcliffe Sandbox we are replacing the freebie area for educators and are working with the VWEC group to include other resources in the Rockcliffe Reference Library for use in any grid, not just SL
[2021/07/22 12:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: esp after the financial problems
[2021/07/22 12:51] Dodge Threebeards: LL often leaves education regions even if they do not pay
[2021/07/22 12:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes there is also Knowhow Island which is close to Infolit on the map that hasn’t been paid for for years, similarly one of the Open University sims
[2021/07/22 12:51] Phelan Corrimal: Sheila – LL has been taking down regions in the last few years for non-payment – so I’m assuming someone is paying for those regions to keep them online
[2021/07/22 12:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks, interesting!
[2021/07/22 12:52] Phelan Corrimal: that is weird – I can ask madori and see
[2021/07/22 12:52] Phelan Corrimal: I know she is trying to rebuild the educator group since no one in LL has maintained a complete listing of active groups in a long time
[2021/07/22 12:53] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): …. hmmm… I can see that entities like Chilbo… will have a heck of a time upgrading all the LMs when sims relocate …
[2021/07/22 12:53] Senn Maximus: May I suggest that because this has such a huge implication that will or can affect the educational groups in SL for the long run, and because it is a LL/SL program(?) that perhaps a broader-based input be considered by calling a meeting with the secondlife:///app/group/69abe232-e9a6-7284-502d-19119093bb65/about ?
[2021/07/22 12:53] Sheila Yoshikawa: It’s SO good that we have a Linden that is taking an active interest in education again!
[2021/07/22 12:53] PI (pi.illios): Can we buy this kind of region. I think this is the case of a STEAM project of a private university here
[2021/07/22 12:53] Valibrarian Gregg: yes very exciting future ahead! ty Phelan
[2021/07/22 12:53] Phelan Corrimal: if the region name isn’t changing – moving the region won’t mean the landmarks will stop working
[2021/07/22 12:53] Phelan Corrimal: its only if the region name changes there is a problem
[2021/07/22 12:54] Senn Maximus: for something this important coming from LL, shouldn’t at least schools like NCI, Happy Hippo and others who have put in the years and time be included in discussions?
[2021/07/22 12:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: I am ashamed to say that I hadn’t heard of the Help Education Quorum!
[2021/07/22 12:54] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): AH.. thank you for clarifying that point.
[2021/07/22 12:54] Phelan Corrimal: Senn – yes for certain.
[2021/07/22 12:54] Senn Maximus: I’m so sorry, don’t hate me for the questions, Phelan, You know I love you all, I just am looking out for the other schools not represented here who this will affect
[2021/07/22 12:54] Phelan Corrimal: is that group still active?
[2021/07/22 12:55] Valibrarian Gregg: so good to have people pooling resources for education 🙂 Validates all the work in SL over the years
[2021/07/22 12:55] Marly (marly.milena): What happens with groups like NPC which has a strong educational component but is not an ed institution per se?
[2021/07/22 12:55] Senn Maximus: yes, but since we had those wonderful meetings with Ebbe and the bunch, and Ebbe being so suppportive of us, we have not had as much of a need to gather
[2021/07/22 12:55] Valibrarian Gregg: @Senn- yes- we need to get the word out to schools that have not heard
[2021/07/22 12:55] Phelan Corrimal: Completely understand Senn – and definitely want to talk to other groups – we are a long way from the type of community we had back in 2009 but all the various groups seem to be coming back together again
[2021/07/22 12:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: Who can join the Help Education Quorum? It sounds like it should be part of Virtual Worlds Educational Consortium if it isn’t already?
[2021/07/22 12:56] Max Chatnoir: The COVID effect!
[2021/07/22 12:56] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): there were great groups back then… Yale,, Harvard… Cornell..
[2021/07/22 12:56] Valibrarian Gregg: yes @Sheila – take note that VWEC should partner with the forum for edu
[2021/07/22 12:57] Phelan Corrimal: Marly – still need to work out re: NPC – on the surface they could but LL has some reservations with non-profits as some are doing work that is adult rated – so they wanted to start with Educators first since that line is more clear cut
[2021/07/22 12:57] Senn Maximus: we met a few years back, it’s not been THAT long 😉
[2021/07/22 12:57] Gale Beggy (galebeggy): hey ya’ll
[2021/07/22 12:57] Phelan Corrimal: lol
[2021/07/22 12:57] Dodge Threebeards: it might be useful to have a document people can read that addresses the objectives of this effort and answers many of the questions asked here.
[2021/07/22 12:57] Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes @Shiloh – also the United Kingdom educators group was very active in the earlier days, with a good number of British Universities
[2021/07/22 12:58] Phelan Corrimal: Certainly if they would like we will share anything they feel is of value with their group
[2021/07/22 12:58] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): …I remember, Sheila..
[2021/07/22 12:58] Marly (marly.milena): Before we end, I just want to mention that I am facilitating the VWER next week and it will be a creativity workshop! Sheila will send out some info soon
[2021/07/22 12:58] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): there was also more science sims back then
[2021/07/22 12:58] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi Gale, I’m afraid we’re just finishing!
[2021/07/22 12:58] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): what about educational sims where the founder has passed away?
[2021/07/22 12:58] PI (pi.illios): Where will this transcript will be shared?
[2021/07/22 12:58] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): How will you relocate those sims?
[2021/07/22 12:59] Sheila Yoshikawa: I will put the transcript of this session here https://vwer.info/
[2021/07/22 12:59] Valibrarian Gregg: TY for this great info Phelan and Sheila! Have a great week everyone… I must head out- BYE!
[2021/07/22 12:59] Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): Very informative
[2021/07/22 12:59] Marly (marly.milena): Hope to c u next week all!
[2021/07/22 12:59] Sheila Yoshikawa: bye Val
[2021/07/22 12:59] Phelan Corrimal: I have a google document template I’ve been working on – people will request move placement through there – I’m just waiting on LL final approval in terms of where on the grid before I can open that up
[2021/07/22 12:59] Sheila Yoshikawa: Indeed we’ve reached the hour
[2021/07/22 12:59] Do Lubitsch: bye
[2021/07/22 12:59] Senn Maximus: we made sure that all of the established schools and help groups in SL were in that group, secondlife:///app/group/69abe232-e9a6-7284-502d-19119093bb65/about so yes, it consists of all of the owners/CEOs of most of the groups who are also in the VWEC as well
[2021/07/22 12:59] ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Bye everyone
[2021/07/22 12:59] Pionia Destiny: Thanks
[2021/07/22 12:59] Gale Beggy (galebeggy): enjoyed meself
[2021/07/22 13:00] Gale Beggy (galebeggy): thanks ya’ll
[2021/07/22 13:00] Phelan Corrimal: I can provide access to people once LL has approved
[2021/07/22 13:00] Do Lubitsch: have a nice time
[2021/07/22 13:00] Dodge Threebeards: i need to head out, take care everyone
[2021/07/22 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: NEXT WEEK at VWER – a creative activity with Marly – have some paper and colouring pens to hand!
[2021/07/22 13:00] Max Chatnoir: Great discussion!
[2021/07/22 13:00] Senn Maximus: thank you Phelan, I’ll let others know as well
[2021/07/22 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks very much Phelan
[2021/07/22 13:00] Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): bye all
[2021/07/22 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: that was very useful
[2021/07/22 13:00] Eyeclectic: HUGS ALL! : )
[2021/07/22 13:00] Phelan Corrimal: awesome Senn – I’ll approach Bruce and see where they are at
[2021/07/22 13:00] Max Chatnoir: See you all soon.
[2021/07/22 13:00] Do Lubitsch: see you
[2021/07/22 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: and thanks all for the good questions and observations

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