May 28, 2020: Aha! Moments

Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: May 28, 2020

Topic: Aha! Moments

Photos by Beth Ghostraven

Please come along to share those moments in your teaching (or your learning) where you felt you suddenly had a good insight or enlightenment. It can be large or small: realising why a small activity worked; suddenly understanding why a way of teaching or learning did or did not work for you; hearing a remark from a learner or colleague that suddenly flicked a switch.


Siri Vezina: love this table 🙂  great chair creation

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi all

Beth Ghostraven: me too, Siri, very welcoming

Hannah Bluemood Utherwurldly (hannah.bluemood): Is today kimono day?

Sheila Yoshikawa: Things seems to be rezzing slowly for me today

Siri Vezina: The kimonos in my wardrobe have been neglected far too long.

Beth Ghostraven: wow, it looks that way, Hannah!

Sheila Yoshikawa: Oh I wear kimono fairly often because I like Japanese things

Siri Vezina: me, too, Sheila 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: it wasn’t prearranged lol

Shiloh Emmons: in real life, I collected kimonos…

PI (pi.illios): Hi Val

Sheila Yoshikawa: ooo lovely

Siri Vezina: oh, I don’t, although I did have a cheongsam once – it didn’t fit my mother anymore

Sheila Yoshikawa: I have a couple of real ones and a cotton yukata

Siri Vezina: Kimonos are works of art

Siri Vezina: cool (what I’m wearing is labeled as a yukata, but I don’t know the difference)

Beth Ghostraven: Siri, whatever it is, it’s really pretty

Siri Vezina: ty 😉

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Sheila and Siri

Sheila Yoshikawa: If you like kimono then you may like the first videos on the V&A stream here 

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Time to start the meeting

Sheila Yoshikawa: The Victoria and Albert Museum was just going to open a big kimono exhibition

Siri Vezina: oh, wow, I wish I could get there for that.

Sheila Yoshikawa: and they’ve done some short videos with their curator taking you round the exhibition

Siri Vezina: nice, thanks for the link!

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Yes you can see it online

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I’m IN London but I can’t visit it obviously as the museum is shut

Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks Selby!

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Val, Meryl, Sword, Ann, and Liss!

Meryl McBride: Hi Beth

Ann Forbes: Hi

Wisdomseeker (lissena): waves to all

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK I will start

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Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour.

Valibrarian Gregg: Cool museum video link, Sheila ty

Valibrarian Gregg: Hello all!

Sheila Yoshikawa: VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript in due course. The transcripts can be found at The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook please join our group there 

Siri Vezina: The header photo on that website has a kimono that looks like it’s from the 60’s – I’ve never seen one that was so far from … demure… before 🙂

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Marly!

Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. The topic for this week’s meeting will be: “That “aha” moment” Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves. As usual we will be in text chat for the whole session.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research – at the moment from home – in the Information School at the University of Sheffield, UK. I am lead organiser of VWER and own this island

Siri Vezina: Siri Vezina, retired environmental science/biology/GIS professor, beekeeper, and ex-teacher of basic building in SL.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, DFW, Blogger

Gateway to Thinking”, an educational TelePortal for Education Monthly Tour #1. Library Land (CVL), Cookie, Tour Guide: Hajime Nishimura 

CAG University (Turkey) has a virtual campus and teaches a course about virtual worlds there. 

ACRL tour of Cybalounge. Meeting in a browser. CybaLOUNGE is 30 seconds from anywhere. Even from lockdown 

Meeting remotely in a digital place: CybaLOUNGE. Remote collaboration without the hassle. 

An educational workgroup meeting in a browser. 3DWebWordz 

Breadwinner thinking. Project-based learning. Growth-oriented. Goal-directed learning. The future of work is online. 

The DTA can encourage good time-management habits 

I am working on a blog article to list schools (Universities, Colleges, high schools) in virtual worlds.  I need the virtual world location and the web link of the school. This quest is not limited to Second Life

Wisdomseeker (lissena): is owner of Inspiration Island, CEO of Whole Brain Health – 501c3 Ageless Mind Project. FB: Virtual Inspiration Island; website: Board Member: Secretary – NonprofitCommons in SL

Valibrarian Gregg: Valerie Hill, Library and Info Science Researcher, Director — glad to see you are working on a list Thinkerer!  That will be very useful  🙂

Beth Ghostraven: I’m Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL; Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference; Communications Chair and Focus Sessions Producer for the ISTE Virtual Environments Network; and unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at

I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.

Meryl McBride: Mery McBride, Professor, Social Scientist, Colorado.

Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, M.S. Ed/Communications. Founder of Octagon:Creative Exploration group in SL. Introduced SymMod (Symbolic Modeling) tool for teaching and learning. Multi-artist, therapist, coach, educator

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone

PI (pi.illios): PI Illios Virtual Reference Librarian & Library Website Content Developer & Administratoror University of Puerto Rico’s Medical Sciences Campus

Sword (swordofdestiny666): I’m Sword, I’m a Viking.

Sheila Yoshikawa: By the way I will just mention that if anyone likes kittycats, at the moment you can get a free “nurse” one (like Asclepius, running around here) that needs no feeding at Kittycat HQ

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Beth Ghostraven: Hi Stranger and Claire!

Valibrarian Gregg is excited that Pi has created an exhibit at CVL-  Spanish resources  🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi Sword

Valibrarian Gregg: welcome Sword

Sheila Yoshikawa: great Val and Pi!

Stranger Nightfire: hello Beth

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Thank you

PI (pi.illios): 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK – in the intro for this week it said “Please come along to share those moments in your teaching (or your learning) where you felt you suddenly had a good insight or enlightenment. It can be large or small: e.g. realising why a small activity worked; suddenly understanding why a way of teaching or learning did or did not work for you; hearing a remark from a learner or colleague that suddenly flicked a switch; realising that just a small change to a presentation would make all the difference.”

Ann Forbes whispers: Hi kitty

Sheila Yoshikawa: So I thought I would start off by recounting a Painful Moment and a Small but not painful moment

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): hi Heike

Lady Claire (clairedeair):  ㋡  ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆  ㋡ 

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hello!

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK – my Simple not Painful aha – attending Tom Boellstorff’s session, where he’d put teleporters to each of the student areas as numbers at the end of different rows in the “lecture room”.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Just a small thing, obvious, but AHA useful

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): people can sit at the table — it will make more chairs as needed

Sheila Yoshikawa: My Painful Aha is longer

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): hi all hi Thinkerer – smiles

Lady Claire (clairedeair): hehehe

Lady Claire (clairedeair): phantom

Lady Claire (clairedeair): well if I sit there it will bork my avatar

Sheila Yoshikawa: So – just to say this week’s theme is “aha” moments in teaching/learning

PI (pi.illios): Ruth

Sheila Yoshikawa: No need to bork your avatar!

Sheila Yoshikawa: sit, stand, it’s fine!

Sheila Yoshikawa: Painful aha – I remember, I think it was at the start of my second semester teaching (this is over a couple of decades ago) – or it might even have been my second year – getting the anonymised evaluations from a class on cataloguing and classification (things like Dewey Decimal, and using cataloguing rules) and one student had said it was obvious I knew a lot, but that I hadn’t much experience teaching. I was stupid enough to look at these not long before I was going to teach and I remember drooping weeping over the photocopier.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I remember that weeping s clearly, I was doing last minute copying of handouts

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): ahhh

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: One issue is that it was a particularly dry subject to teach, but it was also true that I’d been feverishly gathering facts and trying to present them in an interesting way – partly because actually I didn’t know as much as the student thought I did, I had to teach lots of topics.

Sheila Yoshikawa: some of them I was only just ahead of the students

Siri Vezina: been there, done that 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: In retrospect, I could have been given a lot more help that could have enabled me to improve my approach to teaching (I had almost none – we had a 3 day course – it’s a lot better now). However I also probably did need some plain speaking to help me step back from what I was doing. So I suppose I knew what I was doing didn’t quite work, but I needed that jolt to really think about it and stop just getting by

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK! Is anyone willing to contribute any thoughts – their aha moments?

Marly (marly.milena): I studied with an amazing Jungian/physicist/shaman, and more and learned stuff about global processes (among many other things) ie coming out of a fixed position and being able to argue from ANY position in a problem field—so valuable–and then applied it here to my SymMod creation

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Briony and Aquiel!

Siri Vezina: We had a semester-long course, but when I got to teaching full time, I realized that most of my colleagues had had NO teaching training or learning theory.

Briony (brionyblack): 🙂

Aquiel Aero: Hi Beth 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly, yes that sounds transformative – showing – it can be done

Siri Vezina: One of my colleagues was really good at engaging students – he showed up in costume as a Hogwards wizard, and the students loved that – forever remembered it.

Valibrarian Gregg: AHA-  SymMod brings amazing ways to dig deeply into concepts!

Marly (marly.milena): His name is Arnold Mindell and he has plenty of books and videos online

Sheila Yoshikawa whispers: @Siri so did you try that ???

Valibrarian Gregg: Siri-  yes!  Dressing the part (I love costumes) is like “immersive learning”

Sheila Yoshikawa: Actually I had an aha moment in one of Marly’s session when I was doing a symMod

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I think people usually get a minor aha moment when they succeed in solving a puzzle.

PI (pi.illios): I love Harry Potter’s books, I would have loved go to that class

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes it doesn’t have to be a big thing – I think also it can be cumulative

Siri Vezina: I did not, no.  But maybe I became more animated in class as a result.

Valibrarian Gregg: True thinkerer…really young children have tons of aha moments!  and successes

Valibrarian Gregg: When Cooper MacBeth (Patterson) rezzed a million cubes in SL and a group of us entered them….I realized I could not dump a million cubes out in my physical classroom for students to view!  Aha!  Things one can do here

Sheila Yoshikawa: Nowadays we are sometimes discouraged from making teaching a “performance” but I think sometimes it can still be effective, if it fits with that teacher’s style and is something that makes you learn

Marly (marly.milena): @Sheila–it seems that SymMod work greatly lends itself to AHA moments inMOST of the people who work with it

Marly (marly.milena): It is designed for that exactly!

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): My big aha moments all occurred when I was writing a difficult program and suddenly knew how to do it.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Val that million cube incident did it make you see more opportunities for learning here?

Sword (swordofdestiny666): I got an aha moment when I watched Richard Feynman explain the Scientific method

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Sword – the way he explained it?

Siri Vezina: It has pluses and minuses – one of my students recommended that I try an exercise about cells where students take the part of being parts in a school bus – she remembered the exercise but couldn’t for the life of her remember any of the parts of the cells.

Sword (swordofdestiny666): He explained it so clearly and modestly

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Shailey!

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol @Siri yes that is always an issue – like when people remember an ad but can’t remember what it was advertising

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi Shailey

Valibrarian Gregg: yes- the million cubes made be think of many ways to use virtual worlds (things that can’t be done physically) like disaster drills.

Siri Vezina: exactly

Shailey Garfield: Thank you, great to be here

Valibrarian Gregg: Early one morning- alone in my school library around 2006 or 2007, I had a “aha” moment in which I imagined the floor was shaking and the library was trembling, and I knew it would never ever be the same.  I witnessed the “close of the Gutenberg Parentheses” realizing that digital culture and the internet would revolutionize my role as a librarian.  I became a virtual world librarian shortly after that moment.  I still love physical libraries but view them differently… sort of on a reality continuum.

Sheila Yoshikawa: as several people joined us recently I will repeat the topic “Please come along to share those moments in your teaching (or your learning) where you felt you suddenly had a good insight or enlightenment. It can be large or small: “

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): wow Valibrarian… what a story

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Sword (swordofdestiny666): I loved how Feynman explained that all Scientists must first make a guess “hypothesis” and it made all the students laugh

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Val I’m being a bit literal here – it wasn’t an earthquake literally, but one in your mind?

Valibrarian Gregg: @heiki- I will never forget that moment….it was not physical but quite real

Valibrarian Gregg: no earth shaking….just in my imagination!

Sheila Yoshikawa: the imagination can be as powerful as an earthquake

PI (pi.illios): Oh Yes

Valibrarian Gregg should have pointed that out!  I was in Texas…no earthquakes there (or rarely)— now in Seattle it could happen!

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): my aha moment was when I discovered the power of the law of attraction, wanting something so badly that it eventually happened, for some reason I never saw the world the same again… personal but yes it influenced my teaching as I have been trying to work with those who really badly want something

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Sword I have a colleague who is actually pretty “traditional” in his teaching – but he has a real gift for explaining complicated things in a really lucid, straightforward way – I think it’s a gift

Valibrarian Gregg: @heiki- powerful moments like that are life-changing AHAs

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Yes Sheila, its a gift

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Heike @Val yes it can shift your ideas of what you can aim for or are capable of

Valibrarian Gregg: yes @Sword and @sheila-  the gift of making the complex understandable in bite size pieces

Sheila Yoshikawa whispers: @Val I have experienced two (tiny tiny) earthquakes in Sheffield!

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Also Feynman can make any subject really interesting

Sword (swordofdestiny666): his enthusiasm is infectious

Marly (marly.milena): An AHA moment led me to become a Gestalt therapist; I was working at Scribner’s bookstore in NYC on a coop job (Antioch College) and randomly picked a book off the psychology shelf called Gestalt Therapy by Perls, Hefferline and Goodman. I realized that the way they were talking about the human psyche and also its relationship to art was how my brain was wired!  Very exciting.  Used these ideas first as a creative writing teacher in the English Department of a large high school!

Sword (swordofdestiny666): My Physics teachers at school were boring

Stranger Nightfire: Feynman seems to have been something of a genius as a teacher as well as as a theorist

Sheila Yoshikawa: So it seems like being open, paying attention to another person, or to an environment can lead to aha moments, but also examining or challenging ourselves?

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): I wrote a piece of text today in a proposal for some training, and I believe it speaks volume about the teaching and learning these days.. may I share this here? it is a little off topic though, maybe I hold it back for in the end of this lovely discussion

Valibrarian Gregg: @Sheila – I did experience an earthquake when I was in 4th grade…in Seattle before we moved to Texas.  8 seconds seemed really looooong!

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly – so exciting!

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Yes Stranger!

PI (pi.illios): We had a big earthquake this year and a lot seismic activity afterwards in Puerto Rico early these year

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Heike do share it – but perhaps towards the end?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Heike — Share it

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually again not about teaching, just that tiny earthquake I experienced did shift my thinking – although it was tiny I instinctively knew what it was and “reality” seemed more fragile

Valibrarian Gregg: Literature AHA moment- my 4th grade teacher explained there are 4 types of conflict: man against man, man against nature (or supernatural), man against society and man against himself.  I have loved school ever since!!  My eyes were opened to literature (of course mankind means man, woman or child)

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Wow Val 🙂

Shailey Garfield: My aha moment was at the SLOODLE conference in SL in January 2009 when I first realised that power of SL in education and that experience/Event has stayed with me. Thank you for this topic of discussion

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes @Shailey I suppose I had a sort of aha moment as soon as I walked into SL, I could tell it was going to be important to me and I suppose it shifted my priorities a bit

Shailey Garfield: My regrets are why SL didn’t become mainstream in education when it is still the best in my opinion in terms of affordances for education.

PI (pi.illios): I agree Shailey

Valibrarian Gregg: @Sheila -yes- I felt that aha moment when I entered SL too!  Even the swooshing sound meant I was entering something magical and meaningful

Shailey Garfield: Great, Val and Sheila

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Stranger, Marly, Sword, Val, and PI

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Sl gave me an aha moment when I met a Muslim from Turkey and I realized all over the world whatever religion, rich or poor, whatever…. we basically all want the same things in life… Work, safety, love, friendship etc.

Valibrarian Gregg: @Shailey – I agree…I thought for sure SL would take off and everyone would have an AHA moment of their own!  It is still hard to believe that people don’t “get it”

Shailey Garfield: I still have the feeling of coming home (where I am happy and forget my RL worries) when I enter SL.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I suppose one thing is – it can be frustrating and baffling when people don’t share your “aha” moments – when they don’t respond in the same way

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Sword an important aha moment!

Shailey Garfield: Yes, Sheila.

Siri Vezina: I had a somewhat different experience:  I tried to introduce my honors students to SL by asking them to evaluate some of the science exhibits here, and they were not impressed.  I realized that they are used to very sophisticated game animations, and this is not that.  So I don’t think they saw the magic – it was the wrong introduction for them.

Shailey Garfield: Sword, great thoughts, I too feel the same – as humans, whatever be our background, we have the same needs for a holistic life.

PI (pi.illios): I can understand the people that don’t get it; what I hate is they dismiss me as if I am only playing

Meryl McBride: I think most of us face that.

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): @Shailey, is SLOODLE still around?

Hannah Bluemood Utherwurldly (hannah.bluemood): One shock for me was seeing poor implementations of learning material in SL. It’s so easy to teach poorly and give students a long-term distaste for something. I recently had to take a new “e-learning” course on the job and it was the worst course I could imagine – they just threw up pages and pages of content and made everyone click through every page.

PI (pi.illios): I have trouble copying with it

Sword (swordofdestiny666): I think any subject can be made interesting and exciting by the right teacher

Shailey Garfield: Yes, PI – they still feel that it is gamey but SL is a blank slate – so much more powerful than a physical space – you can do anything you want here – set up a treehouse for breakout areas or visit a simulation of a beating heart.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Hannah yes the current crisis is creating lots of awful elearning too

Beth Ghostraven: PI, I know what you mean

PI (pi.illios): Exactly

Sheila Yoshikawa: A question – is there a location, event or educator in virtual worlds who has been a source of aha moments for you – I think to save embarrassment don’t name anyone here present

Valibrarian Gregg: When DaisyBlue passed away (a librarian who had helped me learn in SL when I was a newbie), I went to her memorial here in SL.  I sat in the grass and saw everyone lighting memorial candles.  I IMd a friend next to me and said “This feels so real”.  She replied, “yes, Val- it IS real”.  I felt an aha

Shiloh Emmons: I had many… when AM Radio was here

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Liss always inspires me!

Hannah Bluemood Utherwurldly (hannah.bluemood): The worst thing of all I think is that it gives a very poor impression about what e-learning can do. If people think it’s just click, click, click reading pages and watching videos, they won’t be inspired to explore where it really can go.

Marly (marly.milena): I would be glad to be embarrassed @Sheila!  LOL

Shailey Garfield: Heike – no the SLOODLE initiative had a limited time period of funding. The project was about integration of Moodle VLE with SL. It was led by a group of UK educators. It was successful in that it raised the profile of SL but for me the move from 2d to 3d Environments within a session loses the immersive feeling.

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): I had so many wonderful teachers in SL – hard to name just one or two

Siri Vezina: Yes, but I don’t know who did this:  but there was a wonderful recreation of Darwin’s Beagle voyage – around South America – with fossils to find, and pictures of his notebook, and the ship and islands to wander!  It was great.

PI (pi.illios): E learning requires instructional design otherwise is doing the same as if you are in a classroom

Shiloh Emmons: i think the Beagle exhibit is still up

Shailey Garfield: Yes, I remember that Siri; I liked it very much.

Valibrarian Gregg: A fun aha memory… My first meeting with Spiff!  I was role playing the School Marm at the schoolhouse in the Land of Lincoln (historical sim about Abraham Lincoln).  I heard the clip clop of a horse coming down the road and a confederate soldier dismounted.  He walked into the little one room schoolhouse and introduced himself as Spiff (Andrew rl).  We have worked together off and on since.  What a way to meet.

Sheila Yoshikawa: For me there was something called the Educators Coop – the people leading that (Bluewave Ogee and Norh Lamar) enlightened me about the possibilities for sharing and growing in VW education. Similar to @Val’s comment – when Bluewave died – she sent a last word to the Coop “Remember it’s been real”

Beth Ghostraven: Spiff would really like that too, Val

Siri Vezina: It was great, but arrived too late for my students.  And, as I remember, it was designed to be over 4 sims but had to be cut down because the Lindens raised prices for educators.

Valibrarian Gregg: hehe I will have to remind Spiff :0

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Well, the biggest AHA moment has been for me when off suddenly thousands of teachers started to teach online – all this amazing knowledge they tend to pass on to just a few, now available to many

Shailey Garfield: Thank you for sharing about DasyBlue’s memorial, Val.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Heike yes you’re right!

PI (pi.illios): I remember

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): what a huge experiment our times provide – I am at AWE

Shailey Garfield: Yes, Heike – are you referring to the current COVID crisis and the online pivot?

Valibrarian Gregg: @Sheila-  I remember Bluewave!  I went to some presentations with her and met her colleague (Joe North??) in rl

Marly (marly.milena): Process comment–I see no reason why we cannot acknowledge each other in this circle.  I have learned stuff from many people sitting here….as they have from me!

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): yes I am Shailey

Shailey Garfield: Yes, it is real – such a beautiful episode, Sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly you are right perhaps I’m secretly anxious no one will mention me hahahah

Sword (swordofdestiny666): ahhaha

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): echo that Marly

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Heike, Ann, Aquiel, and Meryl

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I an working on an article:  “the day of the digitals”

Sheila Yoshikawa: it is also the English thing – don’t boast – I’m old enough that still is ingrained

Beth Ghostraven: yes, and we can rely on each other to be kind :o)

Shailey Garfield: Yes, Heike – who could have thought at the start of the year that the entire education system will move online.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Selby are we all the digitals?

Marly (marly.milena): I could actually specifically name stuff I have learned but I tend to love transparency and others might not

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Of course we are, Sheila

Shailey Garfield: Thinkerer, is it about the recent online pivot?

PI (pi.illios): I surely have more time now No interruptions, more work done and no traffic jams with the emergency

PI (pi.illios): I can be in Sl more too

Sheila Yoshikawa: There is a lot of “bad” online stuff and so much advice my head swims (about online teaching) but also a lot of good new material – videos, seminars and so forth

Marly (marly.milena): I’d like feedback on the process statements I have made

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): It is about the future — the pivot just brings it into focus — The future is digital

PI (pi.illios): I agree Selby

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, which one?

Marly (marly.milena): process-  HOW we interact vs specific content

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly I was responding to that – but perhaps too jokily?

Marly (marly.milena): 1. Acknowledging what we have learned from others  2. Valuing transparency

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Schools should have been teaching online for 10 years

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Well, this hits the thought on the head of what I have been wanting to share, but… it is a bit critical too – our beloved teachers in the schools …

Sheila Yoshikawa: or perhaps I didn’t understand properly @Marly

Marly (marly.milena): (I meant, of course, HERE at our VWER table)

Sheila Yoshikawa: I agree with “1. Acknowledging what we have learned from others  2. Valuing transparency” – I was genuine in thinking that when I made the statement I was influenced by my cultural background

Siri Vezina: I think it’s still more difficult to keep students’ attention when you’re not in the same room, regardless of how engaging the material or the process is.  People tend to “multitask” online.

Sword (swordofdestiny666): I am happy for people to name me as an inspiration, I promise not to get too embarrassed 😉

Beth Ghostraven: Maybe I’m just tired but I can’t think of one single Aha moment

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Heike could you share now?

Shailey Garfield: I look forward to your article, Thinkerer

Sheila Yoshikawa: it seems a good time @Heike?

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): yes

Valibrarian Gregg: Love it, Sword!

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): I have been observing that these days teachers are not only supposed to use synchronous communication tools like MS Teams, Adobe Connect / Zoom / Skype / GoogleMeet and others, they are also asked to use so-called Web 2.0 tools and, if possible, to use them with their learners:

Shailey Garfield: Beth, I am sure that you have had many.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Agree with @Shailey , @Selby

Marly (marly.milena): Wow! So people really do not want to engage with me on the process, eh?

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Learning management systems (Moodle, Edmodo, Google Classroom), social media, weblogs, whiteboards, collaborative writing tools, wikis, podcasts, screencasting software, tinyURLs, webquests, quizlets, tests, hot potatoes and specialised tools such as for tracking plagiarism, assessment, testing, polling.

Beth Ghostraven smiles at Shailey

Valibrarian Gregg is contemplating the proces…. all learning IS a process  🙂

Beth Ghostraven: Heike, I’m getting dizzy just reading your list! lol

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Furthermore, teachers should also be aware of certain web dangers such as zoom bombing, copyright, creative commons, netiquette, malware, fake news, ransomware, phishing, bullying, whitelisting, blacklisting, spam …

Valibrarian Gregg: keep going Heiki!  yes….!

Sword (swordofdestiny666): Not sure we understand your question Marly, can you re-frame it?

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Teachers should also know where to get free copyleft pictures and what BYOD, VR, AR, memes, RSS, gifs, gamification, OER, MOOCs, flipped learning, hashtags, NLP and AI is all about.

Shailey Garfield: Yes, my concentration is also poor when I am in  online meetings, Siri but never in SL.

Valibrarian Gregg: @heiki this relates to my earthquake moment….no going back!

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): Oh,I almost forgot: teachers should also blog, post and social bookmark, have a lot of followers on Twitter, Instagram and Tik-Tok and of course create video instructions and upload them for your learners on their own YouTube channel.

Beth Ghostraven: Heike, all in the same day, too!

Shailey Garfield: Yes, I agree with all, Heike

Valibrarian Gregg: YES YES – teachers are expected to move from the old world to the new….instantly!  (I keep hearing about TIk Tok lol)

Shailey Garfield: And of course, they need to know their subject and latest developments in their area.

Beth Ghostraven: AND they need to care deeply about all of their students

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Shailey isn’t that an added extra lol

Beth Ghostraven: and form relationships with them all

Sheila Yoshikawa: no actually @Beth they are supposed to LOVE their students, though only in appropriate way

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, true

Shailey Garfield: Yes, Sheila – I feel that we are forgetting the discipline/subject matter in midst of all the technologies

Marly (marly.milena): @Sword et al-  Sheila made a statement about acknowledging AHA’s but not identifying each other as valuable teachers in SL. I am questioning whether that is useful or not. I would like us to include each other in our valuable teaching and learning experiences, to be more transparent and vulnerable with each other

Siri Vezina: Right, Heike, I am *SO* glad I’m retired – I feel bad for my former colleagues.

Valibrarian Gregg: Heiki…when I first felt the AHA you mention- I thought “if I stay up all night every night and never sleep- I will still never keep up”.  But then I start my tech journey- into a new world-  and all of you helped in my “process”  – it is still ongoing

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Right, Heike — that is what I mean by being a digital — If we don’t know it, we know how to find out

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, I’m all for transparency, especially for positive things like you’re talking about

Shailey Garfield: Great to know that, Val

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly actually I am pretty open here at VWER , more than in most other places

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Heike you are so right with that list

Valibrarian Gregg: I am transparent here, too  (love Heiki’s list!)

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): This is where we need each other and yes, Marly, I love you too, we are in this together and learn from each other

Sword (swordofdestiny666): @Marley Yes I think she didn’t want any embarrassment but later she changed her mind and said it was okay to reference others.

Shailey Garfield: Yes, there is something about SL that the feeling is distinct from other social media.

Marly (marly.milena): So I am going to name the people here that I have learned stuff from that has been of value to me:  Shiloh, Val, Thinkerer, Sheila, Beth

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): hugs

PI (pi.illios): Oh me too

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly I think also I was being a mother hen – suddenly worrying in case some people got mentioned and others didn’t – in fact overanxious lol, we are all grown ups

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): I love your list Marly!!!

Shailey Garfield: and me too, Marly

PI (pi.illios): Discussions, presentations etc

Valibrarian Gregg: @Shailey – true- I do not think of SL as social media at all.  It is simply a virtual place….a real place with real people but with different limits than the physical world

PI (pi.illios): I remember the frameworks discussions

Shailey Garfield: Yes, absolutely, Val – so beautifully expressed.

Sheila Yoshikawa: a real place so I worry about real feelings!

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, thank you, I’ve learned a great deal from you, too!

Valibrarian Gregg: ty Marly-  you have taught me!  I love the symmod process

Marly (marly.milena): 🙂

Shailey Garfield: This whole chat of today is so very beautiful and worth a re-visit…

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): 5 minutes

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): echo that Shailey

Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks Selby!

Marly (marly.milena): Thanks, colleagues! Just your being responsive means a great deal to me

Shiloh Emmons: @Marly… huggz

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’ve learned from so many people I’m afraid I would leave someone out by mistake!

Valibrarian Gregg: Here is a quote I like… “Every truth is fragile, every knowledge must be learned over and over again, every night, that we grow not in a straight line but in ascending and descending circles and that what gives us power one year robs us of power the next, for nothing is settled, ever, for anyone.   What makes this bearable is awe.”

`Carlos Casteneda     (The list of what we must accomplish changes… everything changes- but we are all in this together in a learning process.)

Sheila Yoshikawa: huggz all round at the moment, when huggz are in short supply physically

Marly (marly.milena): Sheila, can I offer you a free coaching session?  LOL

Shiloh Emmons: k   @ everyone:  group huggz, then

Valibrarian Gregg: oh— tomorrow at the NPC meeting- we have an event at the Marly Milena Music Library!  hope to see you there 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol to rectify my anxieties

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes we draw to a close here

Marly (marly.milena): Yes (fear of offending)

Marly (marly.milena): LOL

Second Life: Valibrarian Gregg gave you NPC Meeting Fri May 29 9am MUSIC LIBRARY event.

Siri Vezina: Yes, I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s excursion.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Actually VWER always leaves me feeling more positive than when I started

Sheila Yoshikawa: even when I am moderating

Valibrarian Gregg: This is an awesome group, Sheila – ty

Sheila Yoshikawa: so that’s a tribute to you today

Siri Vezina: Good discussion, everyone!

Sheila Yoshikawa: next week is BRING AND SHARE any tools you use for education – they don’t  have to be full perms, you can rezz things temporarily

Shiloh Emmons: stay well, be safe…

Shiloh Emmons: Namaste

Heike Philp (gwen.gwasi): namaste

PI (pi.illios): Be safe everyone

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes stay well for the coming week

Beth Ghostraven: wow, that was a fast hour!

Sheila Yoshikawa: hope to see you next thursday

Stranger Nightfire: really great quote Val, kind of an aha in fact

Shailey Garfield: Thanks a lot. Great discussion. Thank you, Sheila. Bye all and see you soon.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Bye

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly – not offending people was something drilled into me by my mother – that kind of thing is hard to shift 😉

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, yes, “if you can’t say something nice…” lol


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