Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: January 6, 2022
Topic: Dream Dinner Party
Photos by Beth Ghostraven
Who would you invite to your dream dinner party – thinking particularly about yourself as an educator (and learner)? They can be alive, dead, fictional, they do not have to be human …. think who you would like to share a meal with (one to six guests). Tell Sheila by 5th January who the guests would be (one to six guests) – also if you have preferences for food/drink that would be served (in case Sheila has the right food in her inventory)
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour.
Sheila Yoshikawa: VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds.
Beth Ghostraven: (I put out a gift – if you got a Christmas gift from me, it’s the same thing)
Sheila Yoshikawa: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript in due course. The transcripts can be found at https://vwer.info/
Sheila Yoshikawa: The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL.
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Sheila Yoshikawa: The topic for this week’s meeting will be:
Sheila Yoshikawa: My dream dinner party
Sheila Yoshikawa: As I said Marly gave me her guest list in advance
Sheila Yoshikawa: and also I have a list
Sheila Yoshikawa: so after introductions
Sheila Yoshikawa: we will move over to Marly’s table
Marly (marly.milena): I am sooooooo reliable! LOL
Sheila Yoshikawa: if that’s ok with you Marly
Sheila Yoshikawa: and if you are willing to say something about each guest at that point
Sheila Yoshikawa: then go to my table
Sheila Yoshikawa: and then come back here to listen to thers’ ideas
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK
Marly (marly.milena): OK
Sheila Yoshikawa: on to the introductions
Sheila Yoshikawa: First let’s start by introducing ourselves. Please type as much or as little about yourself as you want to, in text chat.
Just type in all at once.
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): I’m Jamie and I work with Selby on many virtual world projects. our focus right now is https://3dwebworldz.com/
PI (pi.illios): PI Illios Virtual Reference medical Librarian & Library Website Content Developer & Manager Conrado F. Asenjo Library University of Puerto Rico’s Medical Sciences Campus https://www.upr.edu/biblioteca-rcm FB https://www.facebook.com/PicaraPI Twitter @PI_illios
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Fort Worth, blogger, retired prof. of psychology
Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller.M.S.Ed/Communications//B.A. Creative Arts/Theatre.http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com …i combine arts processes, psychology and education in all sorts of ways
Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m in the Information School, University of Sheffield and leader of VWER
Beth Ghostraven: I’m Beth Ghostraven, RETIRED middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL http://bethghostraven.com; Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference http://vwbpe.org; and unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the Massive Open Online Calendar at https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=YjhtZHNhcW8yb2dwbWVldHBhcmg2NjdvcGdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ
I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I also will take photos
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK – Marly’s menu for her guests was
Sheila Yoshikawa: Roasted fowl
a variety of roasted or grilled vegetables
Decadent chocolate cake with bittersweet frosting
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I have done my best from my inventory lol
Beth Ghostraven: ooh, sounds yummy!
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly if you want to use voice and talk slowly-ish I will try and transcribe
Sheila Yoshikawa: let’s get up now and go to your table
Sheila Yoshikawa: Reshad Feild
Sheila Yoshikawa: and also you see the names on the chairs
Sheila Yoshikawa: but we can sit on the chairs
Sheila Yoshikawa: you sit under your sign
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: please type in chat
Sheila Yoshikawa: which people do you not know about
PI (pi.illios): Reshad Feild
Sheila Yoshikawa: ditto
Sheila Yoshikawa: also janie rhyne
Beth Ghostraven: Keith McGary
Sheila Yoshikawa: keith mcgary
PI (pi.illios): Yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: I THINK I do
Beth Ghostraven: um, no, I don’t
Sheila Yoshikawa: malcolm knowles – grandfather of adult education
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): yes
Beth Ghostraven: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: everyone know about john dewey?
Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): janie rhyne
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): yes i do
Sheila Yoshikawa: do sit at the table if you want
Sheila Yoshikawa: malcolm knowles: was a prominent in adult education field
Sheila Yoshikawa: in 20th century
Sheila Yoshikawa: helped established guidelines for adult learners
Sheila Yoshikawa: she had an exchange with him
Sheila Yoshikawa: as she wrote a manual
Sheila Yoshikawa: about how to give workshops
Sheila Yoshikawa: and he liked her approach
Sheila Yoshikawa: and the principles she was using were compatible with his
Sheila Yoshikawa: so she felt she made a connection
Sheila Yoshikawa: just google his name!
Sheila Yoshikawa: on her other side is John Dewey
Sheila Yoshikawa: Art as experience – his book she just reread
Sheila Yoshikawa: and what he said
Sheila Yoshikawa: was that it is not just the thing on the paper, or the sculpture itself
Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): yay
Sheila Yoshikawa: but how it can be interpreted differently
Sheila Yoshikawa: the whole context
Sheila Yoshikawa: art as experience is a challenging book to read
Sheila Yoshikawa: as there is food for thought in every paragraph
Sheila Yoshikawa: a primary American philosopher
Sheila Yoshikawa: Rashad Field is a mystic
Sheila Yoshikawa: who spent his life on adventures of the spirit
Sheila Yoshikawa: spent time in Eatern countries, UK, N America
Sheila Yoshikawa: he wrote a trilogy
Sheila Yoshikawa: which she just reread
Sheila Yoshikawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reshad_Feild
Sheila Yoshikawa: she highly recommends his work – they read like novels
Sheila Yoshikawa: another 20th century guy
Sheila Yoshikawa: Keith McGary was a professor at Antioch College
Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a friend of John Cage
Sheila Yoshikawa: the musician
Sheila Yoshikawa: and he brought him to campus
Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly was the liaison person for her class
Sheila Yoshikawa: she went for a walk with John Cage
Sheila Yoshikawa: and he talked about his way of composing, improvising
Sheila Yoshikawa: and he suggested she listen to every sound on the walk
Sheila Yoshikawa: and frame it as a composition
Sheila Yoshikawa: and it was an amazing experience
Sheila Yoshikawa: paying attention
Beth Ghostraven: interesting – like 2D art w/ found objects
Sheila Yoshikawa: and framing it as a musical composition
Beth Ghostraven: dancer?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes I know Merce Cunningham is!
Sheila Yoshikawa: great choreographer
Sheila Yoshikawa: and he was also brought onto campus by KM
Sheila Yoshikawa: and amazing to see how these 2 masters work
Sheila Yoshikawa: altogether KM was a terrific professor, one of the best she ever had
Sheila Yoshikawa: YES!
Sheila Yoshikawa: Maya Angelou
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: a very inspiring speaker, poet, writer
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): yep
Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly was blown away the few times she saw MA in person
Sheila Yoshikawa: there was a resonance between her and the audience
Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly learnt a lot about working with people from her
Sheila Yoshikawa: engaging with the whole person not just their mind
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes it’s me!
Sheila Yoshikawa: JR specialised on using arts processes
Sheila Yoshikawa: to help people understand themselves and each otherr
Sheila Yoshikawa: and when Marly and JR got together hey learnt a lot from each other
Sheila Yoshikawa: and JR wrote a book
Sheila Yoshikawa: what was the title again?
Sheila Yoshikawa: of JR’s book?
Marly (marly.milena): Janie Rhyne
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes there IS a sign
Sheila Yoshikawa: but I’m sitting in that spot
Marly (marly.milena): Being Alive: Creative & Emotional Intelligence Tools
Sheila Yoshikawa: this has a whole section on sensory exercises
Beth Ghostraven: http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com Marly’s website
Sheila Yoshikawa: and the people at this table contributed to all that
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks Beth
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes! also that they come from different disciplines, different perspectives and creative areas
Beth Ghostraven: I liked hearing about your personal experiences with these people
Sheila Yoshikawa: also I will leave this table here
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I will add a notecard with some of what you said
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK we will now move to my table
Sheila Yoshikawa: please do sit down
Sheila Yoshikawa: if you want
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: my menu is a bit more random
Sheila Yoshikawa: Japanese main dishes (including tempura at the end of the table)
PI (pi.illios): I sat with Bill lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: and fruit flan
Sheila Yoshikawa: or cheese
PI (pi.illios): mmmm tempura
Sheila Yoshikawa: anyway
Sheila Yoshikawa: I will just add to what Marly said that
Sheila Yoshikawa: the speaker that made the most impression on me ever was Tony Benn
Sheila Yoshikawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn
Sheila Yoshikawa: oh Marly has gone
Sheila Yoshikawa: oh well
PI (pi.illios): A politician
Sheila Yoshikawa: anyway he was a left wing politician but similarly he really was interested in people and there was an information conference i went to
Sheila Yoshikawa: and what impressed me was that he spent the morning talking to people, going round the information exhibition
Sheila Yoshikawa: and then when he spoke it was obvious it wasn’t just the 100th time he’d spoken
Sheila Yoshikawa: but he took his themes and made them inspiring for US
Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a good orator
Sheila Yoshikawa: but also made that direct connection
Sheila Yoshikawa: ANYWAY
PI (pi.illios): Interesting
Sheila Yoshikawa: my first guest is Bill Johnston – We first met when I was working at Strathclyde University and he was an educational developer in the university’s Centre for Academic Practice.
Sheila Yoshikawa: He was giving support in developing student groupwork and presentation skills – but it turned out we had a mutual interest in information literacy and he has been my major research and writing partner.
Sheila Yoshikawa: He has also written on areas such as the first year experience, teaching entrepreneurship & creativity, and now in particular about the rights of older people. A key educational experience was the Management Development programme that he led and where I was part of the team.
PI (pi.illios): A politician advocate of information surely is worth to know
Sheila Yoshikawa: he doesn’t do social media but he coauthored a lot of papers with me – so this is my google citation (sorry)
Marly (marly.milena): Sorry, having tech issues re staying connected to internet
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Pi sadly dead now!
Sheila Yoshikawa: hello Marly!
Beth Ghostraven: wb Marly!
PI (pi.illios): Oh I am sorry
PI (pi.illios): He was handsome too a win win 😉
Sheila Yoshikawa: I mention Bill in this blog post from a few days ago https://information-literacy.blogspot.com/2022/01/a-happy-new-year-and-celebrating.html
Sheila Yoshikawa: My second guest is Barbara Fister who is a writer and librarian, and apart from being someone I’d delight to have to dinner she represents “the thinking, critical, reflective, active librarian” https://barbarafister.net/
Sheila Yoshikawa: so she writes very well, very focused, sometimes witty,
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I think what she writes is worth reading lol
PI (pi.illios): Looking at the page
Sheila Yoshikawa: Then the next guest
Sheila Yoshikawa: Oh – so Bill and Barbara know each other so they can also chat to each other about information literacy and the state of the world
Sheila Yoshikawa: The next guest A student who said I was no good at teaching
Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a pleasant mature student from New Zealand who gave feedback in a student evaluation early in my career.
Wisdomseeker (lissena) whispers: sorry I am so late this sounded like fun!
Sheila Yoshikawa: this was in about 1993
Sheila Yoshikawa: He was at least partly right at the time, and now I can say yah boo sucks, see my teaching awards.
Beth Ghostraven: better late than never, Liss! :o)
Sheila Yoshikawa: That’s rather petty, but there you are.
Sheila Yoshikawa: he just popped into my head
Sheila Yoshikawa: At the time I was devastated about the comment
Beth Ghostraven: lol Sheila
Sheila Yoshikawa: but in retrospect it was useful
Wisdomseeker (lissena): That reminds me of my first year of college teaching!
Sheila Yoshikawa: and i can think I’ve come a long way
Sheila Yoshikawa: also there was the deputy librarian at Sussex University (he wasn’t that pleasant, woulndt invite him)
Beth Ghostraven: that would be devastating–not what my “lol” was for
Marly (marly.milena): What was it that he pointed out that became useful to you?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think that it was like a milestone – a moment of insight that i think i did need
Marly (marly.milena): For me, it was being told that my sense of humor occasionally bruised very sensitive people!
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, useful! if disappointing
PI (pi.illios): I bet
Sheila Yoshikawa: the deputy librarian at Sussex University – when I was just out of uni, not yet done my library qualification – who said I hadn’t the initiative he’d expect in a graduate
Sheila Yoshikawa: he is the other “negative” comment that actually makes me feel good in retrospect, it raised my hackles and made me be more assertive
Marly (marly.milena): Thanks for the specific example!
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK final 2 guests
PI (pi.illios): I are other ways to say things imho
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes the deputy librarian at sussex university was useless as well, I think, as a manager or anything, ahem, anyway
Sheila Yoshikawa: Ference Marton – is the “godfather of phenomenography, and also led in developing variation theory. This has been influential on me in seeing learning as partly (he would say, wholly) being about facilitating learners’ understanding of how a phenomenon varies, seeing it from different perspectives and thus developing their own richer understanding.
PI (pi.illios): Exactly
PI (pi.illios): nods
Sheila Yoshikawa: I’ve talked about phenomenography before – it’s about exploring the different ways in which people conceive of or experience a phenomenon
Sheila Yoshikawa: this is his google citations
Sheila Yoshikawa: https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=2Y_TVnoAAAAJ&hl=en (don’t think he set this up by it references key works)
Marly (marly.milena): Similar to my”global perspective”? Coming out of a fixed position and trying out many others
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: in this case originally with the aim of understanding how learners understand something in different ways, so you can see their perspective and thus teach them better
Sheila Yoshikawa: but it can be used to explore all sorts of situations/phenomena
Sheila Yoshikawa: and my final guest is
Sheila Yoshikawa: Noel Entwistle – the model he and his colleagues developed of the teaching-learning environment in higher education has been very useful to me and I’ve used it with students.
Sheila Yoshikawa: His other work on phenomenography and the approaches to learning inventory are also things I have found useful and interesting.
Sheila Yoshikawa: partly he’s an example of the “British school” (which connects with the nordic and australian developments) of educational research/development
Sheila Yoshikawa: This is one of the iterations of the TLE – https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268371601_Teaching-learning_environments_and_student_learning_in_electronic_engineering it’s not perfect but I’ve found it useful in opening up the fact that a learning experience isn’t JUST about the learner or JUST about the educator etc.
Sheila Yoshikawa: also I have met Ference Marton at all the Phenomenography conferences
PI (pi.illios): I will look out for him
Sheila Yoshikawa: he goes to all of them and is interested in everyone’s work
Sheila Yoshikawa: he is VERY piercing
Sheila Yoshikawa: he does not hold back on criticism
Sheila Yoshikawa: but has time for all students, researchers
Sheila Yoshikawa: he is still so interested and engaged
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I also find that inspiring
PI (pi.illios): ok honesty at its best
Sheila Yoshikawa: and Noel Entwistle also I have met
Sheila Yoshikawa: and was easy to talk to and really immersed in his work
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK that’s it!
PI (pi.illios): Well I learned a lot!!!
Sheila Yoshikawa: not much time for others!!!
Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, thank you for sharing all of this! I’ve learned a lot from you and Marly today
Marly (marly.milena): Imagine if you had several MORE tables to organize!
Sheila Yoshikawa: just as well there were just 2 tables!
Sheila Yoshikawa: snap yes!
Sheila Yoshikawa: by the way
Wisdomseeker (lissena): nods
Marly (marly.milena): Just enough time for two~
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): thanks ladies
Sheila Yoshikawa: I have been organising some of the presentations and so forth from VWER on platforms in the sky
Sheila Yoshikawa: I hope to finish this soon and give teleports
Marly (marly.milena): Interesting where Sheila and I cross over in our philosophies and what the differences in emphasis are!
Wisdomseeker (lissena): nice tables Sheila!
Beth Ghostraven: Marly, yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes reflecting different backgrounds, culture, personalities, age etc
Wisdomseeker (lissena): makes me want to sit and contemplate
Sheila Yoshikawa: I will set up notecards on these and add them to the VWER display
PI (pi.illios): Great Thank you
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes if I can get more people interested we might do this again
Marly (marly.milena): Were all of you at the VWEC lifelong learners session yesterday? It was great!
Sheila Yoshikawa: i’d be interested in hearing other people’s guests
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Marly, well organised and good conversation
Beth Ghostraven: Marly, yes, that was great!
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK, time is up for this week!
Sheila Yoshikawa: We had a lot of good ideas for VWER sessions
PI (pi.illios): OK
Marly (marly.milena): Among other questions, we asked How do you like to learn in virtual? and What were your best learning experiences ? It might be fun to share responses in this group sometime!
Sheila Yoshikawa: which I will be sorting out with Beth, Val & Shailey
Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, this was a great idea! Thank you for all of your hard work on it!
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): have a gre
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): a
Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): t day
Sheila Yoshikawa: oh yes Marly – if you think of a format and name a date that sounds good!
PI (pi.illios): Have a good one and be safe
Wisdomseeker (lissena): tc
Marly (marly.milena): Sheila, thanks for a creative, unique and fun session!
Sheila Yoshikawa: you too Pi
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