January 6, 2022: Dream Dinner Party

Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: January 6, 2022

Topic: Dream Dinner Party

Photos by Beth Ghostraven

Who would you invite to your dream dinner party – thinking particularly about yourself as an educator (and learner)? They can be alive, dead, fictional, they do not have to be human …. think who you would like to share a meal with (one to six guests). Tell Sheila by 5th January who the guests would be (one to six guests) – also if you have preferences for food/drink that would be served (in case Sheila has the right food in her inventory)

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour.

Sheila Yoshikawa: VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds.

Beth Ghostraven: (I put out a gift – if you got a Christmas gift from me, it’s the same thing)

Sheila Yoshikawa: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript in due course. The transcripts can be found at https://vwer.info/ 

Sheila Yoshikawa: The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL. 

If you are on Facebook please join our group there http://www.facebook.com/groups/159154226946/ 

Sheila Yoshikawa: The topic for this week’s meeting will be:

Sheila Yoshikawa: My dream dinner party

Sheila Yoshikawa: As I said Marly gave me her guest list in advance

Sheila Yoshikawa: and also I have a list

Sheila Yoshikawa: so after introductions

Sheila Yoshikawa: we will move over to Marly’s table

Marly (marly.milena): I am sooooooo reliable! LOL

Sheila Yoshikawa: if that’s ok with you Marly

Sheila Yoshikawa: and if you are willing to say something about each guest at that point

Sheila Yoshikawa: then go to my table

Sheila Yoshikawa: and then come back here to listen to thers’ ideas

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK

Marly (marly.milena): OK

Sheila Yoshikawa: on to the introductions

Sheila Yoshikawa: First let’s start by introducing ourselves. Please type as much or as little about yourself as you want to, in text chat.

Just type in all at once.

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): I’m Jamie and I work with Selby on many virtual world projects.  our focus right now is https://3dwebworldz.com/ 

PI (pi.illios): PI Illios Virtual Reference medical Librarian &  Library Website Content Developer &  Manager   Conrado F. Asenjo Library  University of Puerto Rico’s Medical Sciences Campus https://www.upr.edu/biblioteca-rcm FB https://www.facebook.com/PicaraPI  Twitter @PI_illios

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Fort Worth, blogger, retired prof. of psychology


Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller.M.S.Ed/Communications//B.A. Creative Arts/Theatre.http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com …i combine arts processes, psychology and education in all sorts of ways

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m in the Information School, University of Sheffield and leader of VWER

Beth Ghostraven: I’m Beth Ghostraven, RETIRED middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL http://bethghostraven.com; Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference http://vwbpe.org; and unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the Massive Open Online Calendar at https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=YjhtZHNhcW8yb2dwbWVldHBhcmg2NjdvcGdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ 

I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I also will take photos

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK – Marly’s menu for her guests was

Sheila Yoshikawa: Roasted fowl

a variety of roasted or grilled vegetables

sweet potatoes


Decadent chocolate cake with bittersweet frosting



Sheila Yoshikawa: and I have done my best from my inventory lol

Beth Ghostraven: ooh, sounds yummy!

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly if you want to use voice and talk slowly-ish I will try and transcribe

Sheila Yoshikawa: let’s get up now and go to your table

Sheila Yoshikawa: Reshad Feild

John Dewey

Malcolm Knowles

Maya Angelou

Janie Rhyne

Keith McGary

Sheila Yoshikawa: and also you see the names on the chairs

Sheila Yoshikawa: but we can sit on the chairs

Sheila Yoshikawa: you sit under your sign

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: please type in chat

Sheila Yoshikawa: which people do you not know about

PI (pi.illios): Reshad Feild

Sheila Yoshikawa: ditto

Sheila Yoshikawa: also janie rhyne

Beth Ghostraven: Keith McGary

Sheila Yoshikawa: keith mcgary

PI (pi.illios): Yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: I THINK I do

Beth Ghostraven: um, no, I don’t

Sheila Yoshikawa: malcolm knowles – grandfather of adult education

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): yes

Beth Ghostraven: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: everyone know about john dewey?

Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): janie rhyne

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): yes i do

Sheila Yoshikawa: do sit at the table if you want

Sheila Yoshikawa: malcolm knowles: was a prominent in adult education field

Sheila Yoshikawa: in 20th century

Sheila Yoshikawa: helped established guidelines for adult learners

Sheila Yoshikawa: she had an exchange with him

Sheila Yoshikawa: as she wrote a manual

Sheila Yoshikawa: about how to give workshops

Sheila Yoshikawa: and he liked her approach

Sheila Yoshikawa: and the principles she was using were compatible with his

Sheila Yoshikawa: so she felt she made a connection

Sheila Yoshikawa: just google his name!

Sheila Yoshikawa: on her other side is John Dewey

Sheila Yoshikawa: Art as experience – his book she just reread

Sheila Yoshikawa: and what he said

Sheila Yoshikawa: was that it is not just the thing on the paper, or the sculpture itself

Shiloh e. (shiloh.emmons): yay

Sheila Yoshikawa: but how it can be interpreted differently

Sheila Yoshikawa: the whole context

Sheila Yoshikawa: art as experience is a challenging book to read

Sheila Yoshikawa: as there is food for thought in every paragraph

Sheila Yoshikawa: a primary American philosopher

Sheila Yoshikawa: Rashad Field is a mystic

Sheila Yoshikawa: who spent his life on adventures of the spirit

Sheila Yoshikawa: spent time in Eatern countries, UK, N America

Sheila Yoshikawa: he wrote a trilogy

Sheila Yoshikawa: which she just reread

Sheila Yoshikawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reshad_Feild 

Sheila Yoshikawa: she highly recommends his work – they read like novels

Sheila Yoshikawa: another 20th century guy

Sheila Yoshikawa: Keith McGary was a professor at Antioch College

Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a friend of John Cage

Sheila Yoshikawa: the musician

Sheila Yoshikawa: and he brought him to campus

Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly was the liaison person for her class

Sheila Yoshikawa: she went for a walk with John Cage

Sheila Yoshikawa: and he talked about his way of composing, improvising

Sheila Yoshikawa: and he suggested she listen to every sound on the walk

Sheila Yoshikawa: and frame it as a composition

Sheila Yoshikawa: and it was an amazing experience

Sheila Yoshikawa: paying attention

Beth Ghostraven: interesting – like 2D art w/ found objects

Sheila Yoshikawa: and framing it as a musical composition

Beth Ghostraven: dancer?

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes I know Merce Cunningham is!

Sheila Yoshikawa: great choreographer

Sheila Yoshikawa: and he was also brought onto campus by KM

Sheila Yoshikawa: and amazing to see how these 2 masters work

Sheila Yoshikawa: altogether KM was a terrific professor, one of the best she ever had

Sheila Yoshikawa: YES!

Sheila Yoshikawa: Maya Angelou

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: a very inspiring speaker, poet, writer

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): yep

Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly was blown away the few times she saw MA in person

Sheila Yoshikawa: there was a resonance between her and the audience

Sheila Yoshikawa: Marly learnt a lot about working with people from her

Sheila Yoshikawa: engaging with the whole person not just their mind

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes it’s me!

Sheila Yoshikawa: JR specialised on using arts processes

Sheila Yoshikawa: to help people understand themselves and each otherr

Sheila Yoshikawa: and when Marly and JR got together hey learnt a lot from each other

Sheila Yoshikawa: and JR wrote a book

Sheila Yoshikawa: what was the title again?

Sheila Yoshikawa: of JR’s book?

Marly (marly.milena): Janie Rhyne

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes there IS a sign

Sheila Yoshikawa: but I’m sitting in that spot

Marly (marly.milena): Being Alive: Creative & Emotional Intelligence Tools

Sheila Yoshikawa: this has a whole section on sensory exercises

Beth Ghostraven: http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com Marly’s website

Sheila Yoshikawa: and the people at this table contributed to all that

Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks Beth

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes! also that they come from different disciplines, different perspectives and creative areas

Beth Ghostraven: I liked hearing about your personal experiences with these people

Sheila Yoshikawa: also I will leave this table here

Sheila Yoshikawa: and I will add a notecard with some of what you said

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK we will now move to my table

Sheila Yoshikawa: please do sit down

Sheila Yoshikawa: if you want

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: my menu is a bit more random

Sheila Yoshikawa: Japanese main dishes (including tempura at the end of the table)

PI (pi.illios): I sat with Bill lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: and fruit flan

Sheila Yoshikawa: or cheese

PI (pi.illios): mmmm tempura

Sheila Yoshikawa: anyway

Sheila Yoshikawa: I will just add to what Marly said that

Sheila Yoshikawa: the speaker that made the most impression on me ever was Tony Benn

Sheila Yoshikawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn 

Sheila Yoshikawa: oh Marly has gone

Sheila Yoshikawa: oh well

PI (pi.illios): A politician

Sheila Yoshikawa: anyway he was a left wing politician but similarly he really  was interested in people and there was an information conference i went to

Sheila Yoshikawa: and what impressed me was that he spent the morning talking to people, going round the information exhibition

Sheila Yoshikawa: and then when he spoke it was obvious it wasn’t just the 100th time he’d spoken

Sheila Yoshikawa: but he took his themes and made them inspiring for US

Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a good orator

Sheila Yoshikawa: but also made that direct connection

Sheila Yoshikawa: ANYWAY

PI (pi.illios): Interesting

Sheila Yoshikawa: my first guest is Bill Johnston – We first met when I was working at Strathclyde University and he was an educational developer in the university’s Centre for Academic Practice.

Sheila Yoshikawa: He was giving support in developing student groupwork and presentation skills – but it turned out we had a mutual interest in information literacy and he has been my major research and writing partner.

Sheila Yoshikawa: He has also written on areas such as the first year experience, teaching entrepreneurship & creativity, and now in particular about the rights of older people. A key educational experience was the Management Development programme that he led and where I was part of the team.

PI (pi.illios): A politician advocate of information surely is worth to know

Sheila Yoshikawa: he doesn’t do social media but he coauthored a lot of papers with me – so this is my google citation (sorry)

Marly (marly.milena): Sorry, having tech issues re staying connected to internet

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Pi sadly dead now!

Sheila Yoshikawa: hello Marly!

Beth Ghostraven: wb Marly!

PI (pi.illios): Oh I am sorry

PI (pi.illios): He was handsome too a win win 😉

Sheila Yoshikawa: I mention Bill in this blog post from a few days ago https://information-literacy.blogspot.com/2022/01/a-happy-new-year-and-celebrating.html 

Sheila Yoshikawa: My second guest is Barbara Fister who is a writer and librarian, and apart from being someone I’d delight to have to dinner she represents “the thinking, critical, reflective, active librarian” https://barbarafister.net/ 

Sheila Yoshikawa: so she writes very well, very focused, sometimes witty,

Sheila Yoshikawa: and I think what she writes is worth reading lol

PI (pi.illios): Looking at the page

Sheila Yoshikawa: Then the next guest

Sheila Yoshikawa: Oh – so Bill and Barbara know each other so they can also chat to each other about information literacy and the state of the world

Sheila Yoshikawa: The next guest A student who said I was no good at teaching

Sheila Yoshikawa: he was a pleasant mature student from New Zealand who gave feedback in a student evaluation early in my career.

Wisdomseeker (lissena) whispers: sorry I am so late    this sounded like fun!

Sheila Yoshikawa: this was in about 1993

Sheila Yoshikawa: He was at least partly right at the time, and now I can say yah boo sucks, see my teaching awards.

Beth Ghostraven: better late than never, Liss! :o)

Sheila Yoshikawa: That’s rather petty, but there you are.

Sheila Yoshikawa: he just popped into my head

Sheila Yoshikawa: At the time I was devastated about the comment

Beth Ghostraven: lol Sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: but in retrospect it was useful

Wisdomseeker (lissena): That reminds me of my first year of college teaching!

Sheila Yoshikawa: and i can think I’ve come a long way

Sheila Yoshikawa: also there was the deputy librarian at Sussex University (he wasn’t that pleasant, woulndt invite him)

Beth Ghostraven: that would be devastating–not what my “lol” was for

Marly (marly.milena): What was it that he pointed out that became useful to you?

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think that it was like a milestone – a moment of insight that i think i did need

Marly (marly.milena): For me, it was being told that my sense of humor occasionally bruised very sensitive people!

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, useful! if disappointing

PI (pi.illios): I bet

Sheila Yoshikawa: the deputy librarian at Sussex University – when I was just out of uni, not yet done my library qualification – who said I hadn’t the initiative he’d expect in a graduate

Sheila Yoshikawa: he is the other “negative” comment that actually makes me feel good in retrospect, it raised my hackles and made me be more assertive

Marly (marly.milena): Thanks for the specific example!

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK final 2 guests

PI (pi.illios): I are other ways to say things imho

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes the deputy librarian at sussex university was useless as well, I think, as a manager or anything, ahem, anyway

Sheila Yoshikawa: Ference Marton – is the “godfather of phenomenography, and also led in developing variation theory. This has been influential on me in seeing learning as partly (he would say, wholly) being about facilitating learners’ understanding of how a phenomenon varies, seeing it from different perspectives and thus developing their own richer understanding.

PI (pi.illios): Exactly

PI (pi.illios): nods

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’ve talked about phenomenography before – it’s about exploring the different ways in which people conceive of or experience a phenomenon

Sheila Yoshikawa: this is his google citations

Sheila Yoshikawa: https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=2Y_TVnoAAAAJ&hl=en (don’t think he set this up by it references key works)

Marly (marly.milena): Similar to my”global perspective”?  Coming out of a fixed position and trying out many others

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: in this case originally with the aim of understanding how learners understand something in different ways, so you can see their perspective and thus teach them better

Sheila Yoshikawa: but it can be used to explore all sorts of situations/phenomena

Sheila Yoshikawa: and my final guest is

Sheila Yoshikawa: Noel Entwistle – the model he and his colleagues developed of the teaching-learning environment in higher education has been very useful to me and I’ve used it with students.

Sheila Yoshikawa: His other work on phenomenography and the approaches to learning inventory are also things I have found useful and interesting.

Sheila Yoshikawa: partly he’s an example of the “British school” (which connects with the nordic and australian developments) of educational research/development

Sheila Yoshikawa: This is one of the iterations of the TLE – https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268371601_Teaching-learning_environments_and_student_learning_in_electronic_engineering it’s not perfect but I’ve found it useful in opening up the fact that a learning experience isn’t JUST about the learner or JUST about the educator etc.

Sheila Yoshikawa: also I have met Ference Marton at all the Phenomenography conferences

PI (pi.illios): I will look out for him

Sheila Yoshikawa: he goes to all of them and is interested in everyone’s work

Sheila Yoshikawa: he is VERY piercing

Sheila Yoshikawa: he does not hold back on criticism

Sheila Yoshikawa: but has time for all students, researchers

Sheila Yoshikawa: he is still so interested and engaged

Sheila Yoshikawa: and I also find that inspiring

PI (pi.illios): ok honesty at its best

Sheila Yoshikawa: and Noel Entwistle also I have met

Sheila Yoshikawa: and was easy to talk to and really immersed in his work

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK that’s it!

PI (pi.illios): Well I learned a lot!!!

Sheila Yoshikawa: not much time for others!!!

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, thank you for sharing all of this! I’ve learned a lot from you and Marly today

Marly (marly.milena): Imagine if you had several MORE tables to organize!

Sheila Yoshikawa: just as well there were just 2 tables!

Sheila Yoshikawa: snap yes!

Sheila Yoshikawa: by the way

Wisdomseeker (lissena): nods

Marly (marly.milena): Just enough time for two~

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): thanks ladies

Sheila Yoshikawa: I have been organising some of the presentations and so forth from VWER on platforms in the sky

Sheila Yoshikawa: I hope to finish this soon and give teleports

Marly (marly.milena): Interesting where Sheila and I cross over in our philosophies and what the differences in emphasis are!

Wisdomseeker (lissena): nice tables Sheila!

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes reflecting different backgrounds, culture, personalities, age etc

Wisdomseeker (lissena): makes me want to sit and contemplate

Sheila Yoshikawa: I will set up notecards on these and add them to the VWER display

PI (pi.illios): Great Thank you

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes if I can get more people interested we might do this again

Marly (marly.milena): Were all of you at the VWEC lifelong learners session yesterday?  It was great!

Sheila Yoshikawa: i’d be interested in hearing other people’s guests

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Marly, well organised and good conversation

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, yes, that was great!

Sheila Yoshikawa: OK, time is up for this week!

Sheila Yoshikawa: We had a lot of good ideas for VWER sessions

PI (pi.illios): OK

Marly (marly.milena): Among other questions, we asked How do you like to learn in virtual? and What were your best learning experiences ?   It might be fun to share responses in this group sometime!

Sheila Yoshikawa: which I will be sorting out with Beth, Val & Shailey

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, this was a great idea! Thank you for all of your hard work on it!

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): have a gre

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): a

Jamie Jordan (jwheels.carver): t day

Sheila Yoshikawa: oh yes Marly – if you think of a format and name a date that sounds good!

PI (pi.illios): Have a good one and be safe

Wisdomseeker (lissena): tc

Marly (marly.milena): Sheila, thanks for a creative, unique and fun session!

Sheila Yoshikawa: you too Pi

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