Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: July 19 2018
Topic: “Then and now: libraries in virtual worlds”
Lightly edited for typos by Sheila Yoshikawa; photo by Sheila Yoshikawa
Note: This was a discussion prompted by a VWER discussion from 10 years ago: https://vwer.info/2008/07/22/2008-07-22-discussion-on-library-services-in-second-life/
[2018/07/19 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet on Thursdays at 12 noon SLT for an hour. 8pm In UK, 3pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds.
[2018/07/19 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at https://vwer.info/
If you look there you will see recent transcripts from the past few months, and also transcripts from 2008!
[2018/07/19 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: Like the one that is the focus today
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[2018/07/19 12:07] Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. The topic for this week’s meeting will be: Libraries in virtual worlds
[2018/07/19 12:07] Sheila Yoshikawa: The discussion is as always in text chat
[2018/07/19 12:07] Sheila Yoshikawa: Let’s start as usual and say who you are and where you are based
[2018/07/19 12:08] Sheila Yoshikawa: or as much as you want to disclose 😉
[2018/07/19 12:08] Sheila Yoshikawa: So I teach and research in the Information School at the University of Sheffield, UK
[2018/07/19 12:09] Camie Rembrandt: Independent E-Learning Professional, Adult and Continuing Education Teacher with a Postgraduate Diploma in Education (E-Learning Pedagogy). Writer and Digital Storyteller. Owner of Learning Lab on Craft World grid.
[2018/07/19 12:09] LuxTergeste: EFL teacher based in Trieste, Italy. ICT support person at my institution, a state high school.
[2018/07/19 12:10] Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, M.S. Education/Communications- Massachusetts. Gestalt therapist, composer, musician, artist, actor, educator, trainer, coach, educational designer, facilitator. In SL since 2007. Founder: Octagon:Creative Exploration/ Facilitator: Adventures in Lifelong Learning, Whole Brain Health. See http://www.peoplesystemspotential.com for more.
[2018/07/19 12:10] Lyrical Popstar: I am a technology specialist at a public K-12 school in the midwest.
[2018/07/19 12:10] Sheila Yoshikawa: So I think I am the only one here who at one point WAS a librarian or is a librarian, at the moment?
[2018/07/19 12:10] Lyrical Popstar: M.Ed. in Educational Technology
[2018/07/19 12:11] Lyrical Popstar: hey, I invited a librarian, but he is busy librarianing.
[2018/07/19 12:11] Lyrical Popstar: 😛
[2018/07/19 12:11] LuxTergeste: 🙂
[2018/07/19 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: So the stimulus, as I was saying earlier and was advertised, wasa transcript from nearly exactly 10 years ago
[2018/07/19 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Lyrical
[2018/07/19 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: thank you for trying
[2018/07/19 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: https://vwer.info/2008/07/22/2008-07-22-discussion-on-library-services-in-second-life/
[2018/07/19 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: so reading through that several things struck me
[2018/07/19 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: one was, sadly, people who are no longer here
[2018/07/19 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: at least one because she died in the physical world
[2018/07/19 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: Riven Homewood was very active and sadly passed away
[2018/07/19 12:13] Marly (marly.milena): So MANY no longer here!
[2018/07/19 12:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: but also people who I’m glad to say I know are alive and well, and who were once very active here, and just are not any more
[2018/07/19 12:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi Tredi
[2018/07/19 12:13] Tredi Felisimo: Hello!
[2018/07/19 12:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: I was just introducing the discussion
[2018/07/19 12:13] Tredi Felisimo: Sorry to barge in like that
[2018/07/19 12:13] Marly (marly.milena): So what caused them to leave?
[2018/07/19 12:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: talking about a discussion that this discussion forum had a whole 10 years ago
[2018/07/19 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: no worries Tredi
[2018/07/19 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: Well, I think it is connected to the fact that there are fewer educators
[2018/07/19 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: and fewer universities have islands
[2018/07/19 12:14] Lyrical Popstar: Trying to skim through the discussion thread a bit.
[2018/07/19 12:14] Tredi Felisimo: also apologies for a quick departure! I’m showing people SL who are in RL
[2018/07/19 12:14] Marly (marly.milena): Sheila, maybe you could summarize the main points in the transcript?
[2018/07/19 12:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉 this is a discussion group that meets weekly
[2018/07/19 12:15] Camie Rembrandt: I remember that back in 2010 virtual libraries were a popular topic among educators.
[2018/07/19 12:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: always international
[2018/07/19 12:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly I have picked up some points about what librarians/libraries were doing then
[2018/07/19 12:16] Marly (marly.milena): Oh, good
[2018/07/19 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: and I thought I would introduce them one at a time
[2018/07/19 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: re: Trudi, at least there are still people in SL showing people in RL what goes on
[2018/07/19 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉
[2018/07/19 12:16] Marly (marly.milena): 🙂
[2018/07/19 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: OK
[2018/07/19 12:17] Lyrical Popstar: But as to why education in SL in general is dying… I think the UI isn’t well-suited unless your learner base is already experienced with SL. Otherwise, too many valuable educational minutes are spent teaching people how to sit, how to dress, how to cam, etc. Would the benefits warrant the time spent? Eh… probably not with so much other technology so easily accessible and widely used. Students don’t need to be immersed inside the technology, but rather immerse their own world with technology. I think we’re seeing a reverse trend… where it’s all going toward real world immersion of tech rather than real world being immersed into tech, like SL’s platform does.
[2018/07/19 12:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: So I think Lorelei Junot it was said “”now there are over 50 libraries in sl and more coming in every day who want to provide library services in this virtual world and support instruction taking place here””
[2018/07/19 12:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: so there was a close link with the librarians wanting to be where the teachers and students were
[2018/07/19 12:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think they will find it easier providing services in 3D worlds like SL than some of the limited closed virtual reality simulations…
[2018/07/19 12:18] Camie Rembrandt: I’ve set up a script library on Learning Lab – accessible via Hypergrid.
[2018/07/19 12:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: I am actually not sure how many “libraries” there are now
[2018/07/19 12:18] Marly (marly.milena): Google has become the Meta Library for most folks who want to find ANY info
[2018/07/19 12:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think less than 50?
[2018/07/19 12:19] Lyrical Popstar: Google and YouTube. 🙂
[2018/07/19 12:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: but I think, Marly, the librarians were aiming to support students with information related to their courses, so not so much on google
[2018/07/19 12:19] Marly (marly.milena): Yup
[2018/07/19 12:19] Lyrical Popstar: YouTube is the #2 search engine.
[2018/07/19 12:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: stuff about courswork etc.
[2018/07/19 12:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: also to have associated things, one librarian said “”if a prof was teaching a class of counselling students in SL perhaps I could create a tour of sorts that would take those students to places like the Virtual Hallucinations build and other relevant areas tied to their coursework””
[2018/07/19 12:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: and I think some librarians did that
[2018/07/19 12:20] Marly (marly.milena): OK, we need to clarify that not all educators here are connected to academic institutions but some, like me, have been teaching here for many years
[2018/07/19 12:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: does it now rely on the teachers themselves organising that?
[2018/07/19 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: You have a good point there, Marly, it could be that the number of educators NOT associated with institutions (that have libraries) has increased
[2018/07/19 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: and if the librarians came attached to institutions
[2018/07/19 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: the number of libraries and librarians decreased
[2018/07/19 12:22] Marly (marly.milena): That would be really interesting to find out! (# of non-institution educators)
[2018/07/19 12:22] Camie Rembrandt: Last year, I gave a presentation on “Using SoaS to Create Portable Virtual Libraries” (SoaS = Sim-on-a-Stick = portable opensimulator)
[2018/07/19 12:22] Sheila Yoshikawa: There is lots of interesting “informal” learning
[2018/07/19 12:22] Sheila Yoshikawa: what did you mean by “library” there Camie?
[2018/07/19 12:22] Marly (marly.milena): Our whole sim is devoted to teaching and learning!
[2018/07/19 12:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly perhaps a library and librarian could add even more value? I hadn’t thought of that before lol
[2018/07/19 12:23] Marly (marly.milena): (Whole Brain Health–WBH—on Inspiration Island)
[2018/07/19 12:24] Marly (marly.milena): Katsii is doing data collecting and we had a librarian cataloguing people, activities, etc
[2018/07/19 12:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: YEs, that latter seems a useful function where training in how to organise information ought to be useful. There were several points to do with that in the 10 year old transcript
[2018/07/19 12:24] Camie Rembrandt: @Sheila I didn’t understand the question
[2018/07/19 12:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi Fuzz
[2018/07/19 12:25] Fuzz Difference: o/
[2018/07/19 12:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: e.g. someone said “Librarians would seem to have a valuable role in also so to speak bookmarking (cataloguing?) and organising the education/information round their own university’s sim””
[2018/07/19 12:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: another person said “can we develop an SL collection”
[2018/07/19 12:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: and the sort of thing she mentioned was (“lendable builds, useful scripts”) (“an archive of excellent builds”) landmarks organised by Dewey
[2018/07/19 12:26] Camie Rembrandt: @Sheila the purpose of the presentation was to help educators interested in using Sim-on-a-Stick to create virtual libraries that can run offline on a USB flash drive.
[2018/07/19 12:26] Sheila Yoshikawa: That idea of acting as a curator or archivist of useful objects and builds for educators – not sure anyone does that?
[2018/07/19 12:26] Marly (marly.milena): We have what I would consider a modern virtual library on our sim which has visual representations of many places in one place, broken into categories
[2018/07/19 12:26] LuxTergeste: @Sheila, interesting idea
[2018/07/19 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Camie, I was think that one function of libraries is having collections of stuff, but there are many other functions, like finding out the information needs of the community, being a “third space”, providing information services for the disadvantaged etc
[2018/07/19 12:27] Marly (marly.milena): called Community Cultural Hub
[2018/07/19 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes @Marly and that is very useful
[2018/07/19 12:28] Marly (marly.milena): (Anyone who wants the LM, please IM me)
[2018/07/19 12:29] Camie Rembrandt: @Sheila the idea of using SoaS is to give educators the opportunity to create virtual libraries for students who are unable to connect to the Internet.
[2018/07/19 12:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: It’s a pity that Valibrarian isn’t here as the Community Virtual Library obviously does have some of these community functions
[2018/07/19 12:29] Camie Rembrandt: I find we often forget there is a digital divide in the world
[2018/07/19 12:29] Camie Rembrandt: Sometimes within one country
[2018/07/19 12:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Camie yes that also is very useful, I was just thinking that in the physical world “libraries” have many functions, so it’s the other functions (the ones NOT to do with finding resources) that are perhaps neglected in SL?
[2018/07/19 12:30] Camie Rembrandt: Not everyone is able to access an online grid and visit a virtual library
[2018/07/19 12:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: no indeed Camie, I could start here on a depressed rant about how public libraries are being destroyed (shut down etc.) in the UK, and it hits the disadvantaged most
[2018/07/19 12:31] Camie Rembrandt: With SoaS librarians can create all kinds of libraries and give them to educators and schools where there is no access to the Internet
[2018/07/19 12:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: one of the things many libraries in the physical world do is provide online access via PCs, which Certainly true in the UK) are still vital for some people
[2018/07/19 12:32] Marly (marly.milena): Sheila, arent libraries and the borrowing of books and other stuff free like it is in U.S?
[2018/07/19 12:32] Camie Rembrandt: In case any of you would like to learn more about this presentation: http://teachingwithsoas.blogspot.com/p/portable-virtual-libraries-with-soas.html
[2018/07/19 12:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Valibrarian Gregg (12m)
[2018/07/19 12:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Valibrarian Gregg (6m)
[2018/07/19 12:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly, yes, but local authorities that fund them are having to cut their budgets every year, and libraries are tending to be in the firing line
[2018/07/19 12:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: hi Val
[2018/07/19 12:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: no worries
[2018/07/19 12:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: Val
[2018/07/19 12:34] Camie Rembrandt: HI Val
[2018/07/19 12:34] LuxTergeste: Hi Val 🙂
[2018/07/19 12:34] Valibrarian Gregg: Great to see you all!
[2018/07/19 12:34] Valibrarian Gregg: Can you summarize? so far…
[2018/07/19 12:34] Valibrarian Gregg: Questions?
[2018/07/19 12:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: I was saying that libraries have a broader function that lending books and locating information, there is community outreach, meeting the needs of the disadvantaged etc
[2018/07/19 12:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: and I was wondering
[2018/07/19 12:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: to what extent you felt that CVL filled those roles
[2018/07/19 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: absolutely
[2018/07/19 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: voice or text?
[2018/07/19 12:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: text
[2018/07/19 12:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: please
[2018/07/19 12:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: so it is in the transcript
[2018/07/19 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: CVL strives to meet the NEW needs of individuals in digital culture
[2018/07/19 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: meaning- beyond primarily print and across distance in all formats
[2018/07/19 12:35] Valibrarian Gregg: I think all librarians today understand that.
[2018/07/19 12:36] Valibrarian Gregg: Books are still relevant- but MUCH more is available now and it is critical that we investigate all channels of information delivery
[2018/07/19 12:36] Valibrarian Gregg: in what is a “prosumer” culture (We create as much or more content as we consume)
[2018/07/19 12:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: What about finding out about information needs and trying to meet them
[2018/07/19 12:37] Valibrarian Gregg: Looking at the transcript- of your convo
[2018/07/19 12:37] Valibrarian Gregg: Virtual world libraries have been around now for over a decade
[2018/07/19 12:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: for example a public library might do market research of the unemployed or those with disabilities
[2018/07/19 12:37] Marly (marly.milena): I just sent Val our transcript so far…
[2018/07/19 12:37] Valibrarian Gregg: and we are beginning to understand the best practices of meeting information needs
[2018/07/19 12:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: is there a role for CVL or another library there
[2018/07/19 12:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: I sent a transcript too 😉
[2018/07/19 12:38] Lyrical Popstar: I think more and more, books for nonfiction are becoming less needed. There is so much digital content, not in the form of ebooks. Fiction isn’t becoming any less relevant I don’t think.
[2018/07/19 12:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: people still like stories
[2018/07/19 12:38] Marly (marly.milena): Hahaha Sheila….we are on the job
[2018/07/19 12:38] Valibrarian Gregg: yes- all types of libraries could collaborate with CVL- to network across the globe to meet various new information media needs.
[2018/07/19 12:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Val
[2018/07/19 12:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: we were noticing how 10 years ago there were more librarians and more libraries
[2018/07/19 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: at least it is our impression
[2018/07/19 12:39] Valibrarian Gregg: so true! and there were many more educators back in 2007 too!
[2018/07/19 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: whispers: I thought that could be connected with fewer unis being in SL?
[2018/07/19 12:39] Valibrarian Gregg: so many left during the huge 2010 loss of SL educational discount
[2018/07/19 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Val, I thought the 2 were connected, librarians came with the educators
[2018/07/19 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: but then Marly pointed out
[2018/07/19 12:39] Valibrarian Gregg: and universities began to pull out
[2018/07/19 12:39] Lyrical Popstar: Do you think that SL is an efficient and useful platform for libraries though? I’m really not convinced that it is.
[2018/07/19 12:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: there are many educators who are NOT in formal institutions
[2018/07/19 12:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: I Mean educators in SL
[2018/07/19 12:40] Camie Rembrandt: a lot of educators have moved to OpenSim – I was amazed by the number of educational projects presented at the HyperExpo 2017
[2018/07/19 12:40] Valibrarian Gregg: In my opinion, the rise since then in mobile devices and APPs APPs APPs made virtual worlds get pushed to the back burner.
[2018/07/19 12:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Lyrical I think it is a good place for LIBRARIANS to be
[2018/07/19 12:40] Marly (marly.milena): Arent people depending mmostly on their smartphones to find anything they want? It is now classified as a mental disorder —smartphone addiction
[2018/07/19 12:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: they have many skills and knowledge that could help SL residents
[2018/07/19 12:41] Camie Rembrandt: Hypergrid is connecting all kinds of OpenSim grids
[2018/07/19 12:41] Valibrarian Gregg: Having been a library for 20+ years and a virtual librarian for over 10- I can say positively there is a use for librarians and libraries in SL and other virtual worlds!
[2018/07/19 12:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly but also many people are not good at finding important things when they want them, always
[2018/07/19 12:41] Marly (marly.milena): It is not so easy to find a librarian for help here. My Program Manager tried for several months. We may now have someone with the requisite skills
[2018/07/19 12:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: you @Marly are probably information literate
[2018/07/19 12:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: but not true for all, or people have strengths and weaknesses in this area
[2018/07/19 12:42] Valibrarian Gregg: yes- Marly- technology can bring on addiction- that is why CVL is focusing on our Digital Citizenship Museum in Kitely… a real goal for real librarians in a virtual world.
[2018/07/19 12:42] Valibrarian Gregg: The museum deals with all the elements of the information age that have challenged educators, learners and really EVERYone.
[2018/07/19 12:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly depressing that you couldn’t locate someone, unfortunately SL seemed to become “unfashionable”
[2018/07/19 12:43] Valibrarian Gregg: Here is the CVL mission https://drive.google.com/file/d/102TBPFaC-Bhak93Xdmr0iivezu_aL5cQ/view?usp=sharing
[2018/07/19 12:43] Camie Rembrandt: @VAL Kitely is also Hypegrid-enabled, which is great
[2018/07/19 12:43] Marly (marly.milena): Val, you are doing such good work!
[2018/07/19 12:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: Another role that physical world librarians have is research data management – I noticed someone in the 10 year old transcript said that a SL library could have ” items of interest to those who want to do educational research within SL? …Virtual ethnographies and the like””
[2018/07/19 12:44] Valibrarian Gregg: yes yes- we are still here in SL (with a main branch) but definitely getting more active in open sims and web-based worlds (for sustainability).
[2018/07/19 12:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: oo thanks Val, excellent
[2018/07/19 12:44] Marly (marly.milena): One of the challenges if for people seeking librarian help to be clear about what kind of help they want or need. It differs with each situation
[2018/07/19 12:44] Marly (marly.milena): is, not if
[2018/07/19 12:44] Valibrarian Gregg: yes Sheila- we are just now starting a bibliography of virtual world research literature (both education and libraries)
[2018/07/19 12:44] Valibrarian Gregg: You will see the form to submit citations in that google doc I posted.
[2018/07/19 12:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think it was also the idea of the research data – though in SL that might be artefacts and builds?
[2018/07/19 12:45] Marly (marly.milena): A really good librarianwill be able to come up with ideas the e=seeker never thought of!
[2018/07/19 12:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly yes a skill of a librarian is finding out what people really want, not what they first say they want
[2018/07/19 12:45] Valibrarian Gregg: and let’s be clear – there’s a huge difference between a LIBRARY and a LIBRARIAN. (CVL had both) Librarians can be embedded anywhere…and a virtual world is great for embedded librarianship.
[2018/07/19 12:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: very true
[2018/07/19 12:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: so Val, or anyone, any strategies for luring in more librarians, or by training up more librarians within SL?
[2018/07/19 12:46] Valibrarian Gregg: True Sheila- the archival of virtual worlds as they evolve is important. We have been discussing that of late- archiving as many images and machinima etc fo edu and libraries in virtual worlds as we can.
[2018/07/19 12:46] Camie Rembrandt: @Val I have a script library currently on Learning Lab – people from other OS grids can access it via Hypergrid
[2018/07/19 12:47] Valibrarian Gregg: well- SJSU has been super with VCARA and brings library students to CVL.
[2018/07/19 12:47] Valibrarian Gregg: We have several new reference librarians that recently got a masters degree from SJSU.
[2018/07/19 12:47] Sheila Yoshikawa: whispers: Yes andI have to admit I sort of gave up a few years ago; as a teacher of librarians I really should make more effort!!
[2018/07/19 12:47] Valibrarian Gregg: This is our reference calendar (and we DO take volunteers for office hours) https://communityvirtuallibrary.wordpress.com/virtual-reference/ We provide training.
[2018/07/19 12:48] Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks Val
[2018/07/19 12:48] Valibrarian Gregg: I think both librarians and educators active in virtual worlds have been frustrated for YEARS about the lack of exposure to virtual worlds — It is really hard to convince others to give it a try
[2018/07/19 12:49] Marly (marly.milena): Hope you will be able to provide LIBRaRIANS to various virtual groups who need the help. That is still a gray area, how to find the help
[2018/07/19 12:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: BTW some of you may have seen a plea from me on the SLED list when I was trying to get the LL billing dept to enable us to pay for Infolit iSchool in advance – eventially we succeed so that island is guaranteed for another 2 years
[2018/07/19 12:49] Valibrarian Gregg: But I can understand why….as a teacher librarian I was bombarded by lesson plans, conferences, curriculum changes and ipads ipads ipads! non stop new tech…..Getting involved in virtual worlds was on my OWN time.
[2018/07/19 12:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Val
[2018/07/19 12:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: but I read everywhere that tablets are going OUT of fashion now lol
[2018/07/19 12:50] Sheila Yoshikawa: so perhaps SL can sneak back in with virtual reality
[2018/07/19 12:50] Valibrarian Gregg: yes Marly! We would love to embed librarians in all the virtual world edu communities….but at this point there are still so few of us that understand the big picture. We simply can’t do it all.
[2018/07/19 12:50] Lyrical Popstar: The next wave of virtual worlds in education will not be anything like SL, I don’t think. It’ll be more augmented reality based.
[2018/07/19 12:50] Marly (marly.milena): I wish one could get SL on iPad I love my ipad but would like it if, when I travelled, I could take SL with me!
[2018/07/19 12:51] Valibrarian Gregg: hahaha I have been using the VR hype to that end, Sheila. People’s ears perk up when they hear “virtual reality” but they don’t understand virtual worlds (which currently have way more potential).
[2018/07/19 12:51] Lyrical Popstar: Marly, they tried that and not enough people used it, so LL ended that venture.
[2018/07/19 12:51] Valibrarian Gregg: VR / VW blog post https://vhill.edublogs.org/2018/01/10/virtual-worlds-vs-virtual-reality-a-comparison-of-immersive-experiences/
[2018/07/19 12:51] Marly (marly.milena): That was then….Maybe now would be different….
[2018/07/19 12:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: it looked to me like some of them required high end computer processing though (the VR apps) and so I hope that this kind of 3D VW might find its place – for things it is particularly good at
[2018/07/19 12:51] Lyrical Popstar: It was a paid subscription feature though. So far, no tablet version of SL officially by LL has been offered.
[2018/07/19 12:52] Lyrical Popstar: no free* tablet version.
[2018/07/19 12:52] Valibrarian Gregg: Augmented reality probably has the widest use and will become the largest (of VR, VW, AR) but virtual worlds still provide the most creative individual use and the ability to network so many communities….persistent
[2018/07/19 12:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: One last thing from the 10 year old transcript
[2018/07/19 12:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: someone said
[2018/07/19 12:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: “- “I’d like to do a build now about library anxiety”
[2018/07/19 12:53] Marly (marly.milena): Yes, Val, for some of us, SL is the perfect vehile for what we do
[2018/07/19 12:53] Marly (marly.milena): vehicle
[2018/07/19 12:53] Valibrarian Gregg: yes- the immersion is not possible on a mobile device
[2018/07/19 12:53] Sheila Yoshikawa: so do you think more builds that helped people aqppreeciate or understand physical world libraries or library issues would be interesting?
[2018/07/19 12:53] Marly (marly.milena): Say more
[2018/07/19 12:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: though I’m not sure whether the build was going to CURE library anxiety (which is a thing BTW, discovered through research) or casuse it!
[2018/07/19 12:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: cause
[2018/07/19 12:54] Valibrarian Gregg: Here- in a virtual world, one can “enter the book” or “enter the historical era” or “enter the art experience”– but without the headset that makes it simply a cool observation. I like the distance between my body and the screen. VR is more of a disposable experience.
[2018/07/19 12:55] Sheila Yoshikawa: so it could be a friendly library similaution might help with the anxiety?
[2018/07/19 12:55] Lyrical Popstar: and then augmented reality will bring the experience to your environment. I can’t wait! 😀
[2018/07/19 12:55] LuxTergeste: As much as I like SL and Opensim. I think Lyrical has a point in saying that VR will overpower virtual worlds eventually. High Fidelity, for example, has both uses
[2018/07/19 12:56] Marly (marly.milena): I dunno, folks. For me, the physial library, the smell of books, the riffling through pages, so many senses engaged trumps (forgive me!) the virtual library experience
[2018/07/19 12:56] Valibrarian Gregg: I agree- 2 points: virtual worlds have wonderful advantages currently & I think each form of reality (VR, AR, VW) may prove to have a niche
[2018/07/19 12:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: we can keep exploring and doing until then thogh @Lux?
[2018/07/19 12:56] Marly (marly.milena): physical
[2018/07/19 12:56] Lyrical Popstar: Yeah, I think putting a lot of effort, time, resources, passion, etc. into something so outdated would just lead to a lot of frustration. There is certainly a reach, but it’s fading by the day, and trends are going in an entirely different direction.
[2018/07/19 12:57] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly that is why perhaps the emphasis should be on librarians here, you won’t want to smell them hahah
[2018/07/19 12:57] Lyrical Popstar: LOL
[2018/07/19 12:57] Marly (marly.milena): Lyrical, what do you see as the “library of the future?”
[2018/07/19 12:58] Marly (marly.milena): LIke, ten years from now
[2018/07/19 12:58] Valibrarian Gregg: 2nd point- library anxiety! yes- many people get intimidated by changing info landscapes (search systems, databases, metadata etc) and that is true in both physical libraries and virtual libraries. Librarians must be approachable and let people know that it is totally normal and fine! None of us knows all the tech tools- and they constantly change
[2018/07/19 12:58] Valibrarian Gregg: /me still reads physical books and will always love them best
[2018/07/19 12:58] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think for me, the important point about about libraries now and in the future is “they are not just about stuff”
[2018/07/19 12:58] Marly (marly.milena): Really, would like to hear from anyone….in two minutes, which is what we have left!@ LOL
[2018/07/19 12:59] Sheila Yoshikawa: The curatorial and access role is important, but it isn’t the only thing
[2018/07/19 12:59] Lyrical Popstar: Sitting in my living room sipping hot cocoa, wearing augmented reality glasses and picking which librarian I want as a hologram in my living room to offer me some assistance while he/she understands my voice commands perfectly and projects the article I’m looking for onto my wall in my favorite font and color. That’s the library of the future to me. lol
[2018/07/19 12:59] Valibrarian Gregg: yes Sheila- for me it was 2008 when my information hierarchy toppled….I knew my physical library would never be the same…..so I came here. I do not regret it
[2018/07/19 12:59] LuxTergeste: lol!
[2018/07/19 12:59] Marly (marly.milena): What a great image!
[2018/07/19 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: whispers: Also – totally unconnected – we now have an interesting programme at VWER lined up for the next couple of months (not every week fixed, but interestingthings!) – should I set up a separate google calendar for VWER?
[2018/07/19 13:00] Lyrical Popstar: Microsoft Hololens or something similar can make that a reality as soon as the prices are good for mass consumption.
[2018/07/19 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: so I can embed it and link to it in various places?
[2018/07/19 13:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Lyrical 😉
[2018/07/19 13:00] Valibrarian Gregg: Lyrical- love that….and I can imagine being that librarian but also I can imagine bringing my patrons to a virtual poetry writing camp or a book discussion around the campfire (which we do)- or taking a group into a simulation from history
[2018/07/19 13:00] Lyrical Popstar: If you’re not familiar with Hololens, check out some demos on youtube.
[2018/07/19 13:01] Lyrical Popstar: You can… in holographic form in your living room.
[2018/07/19 13:01] LuxTergeste: @Lyrical, that beautiful image is the consumer’s end though. Val’s vision is social, anyway
[2018/07/19 13:01] Valibrarian Gregg: I love HOlolens- and I love Google Tiltbrush! Matching the best tool to the job…that is the goal
[2018/07/19 13:01] Lyrical Popstar: everyone just drops into your living room as holograms.
[2018/07/19 13:01] Sheila Yoshikawa: yep – librarians being where YOU are but also librarians bringing you together with other people
[2018/07/19 13:01] LuxTergeste: Yes Sheila
[2018/07/19 13:01] Sheila Yoshikawa: OK that’s it for this week, thank you all for your contributions
[2018/07/19 13:02] Valibrarian Gregg: yes- Librarians work one on one or in groups- both are important. Libraries have always been community spaces. We do not learn in isolation
[2018/07/19 13:02] Marly (marly.milena): Thanks all!
[2018/07/19 13:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: and Val for coming along at just the right time 😉
[2018/07/19 13:02] Valibrarian Gregg: Glad I could pop in — whew!
[2018/07/19 13:02] LuxTergeste: Thank you everybody!
[2018/07/19 13:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: if you have any thoughts about whether VWER should have its own google calendar or plkug into some other one, let me know
[2018/07/19 13:02] Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks again all
[2018/07/19 13:03] Camie Rembrandt: Thanks It was a very interesting topic
[2018/07/19 13:03] LuxTergeste: Good night / good afternoon!
[2018/07/19 13:03] Camie Rembrandt: Gladly the hotel wifi behaved nicely 🙂
[2018/07/19 13:03] Sheila Yoshikawa: I’ll organise another “then and now” later in this anniversary year
[2018/07/19 13:03] Camie Rembrandt: Great idea
[2018/07/19 13:05] Sheila Yoshikawa: Bye for now!
[2018/07/19 13:05] Sheila Yoshikawa: and thanks again Val
[2018/07/19 13:05] Valibrarian Gregg: Bye all! Have a great weekend
[2018/07/19 13:06] Camie Rembrandt: Bye Val